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one month ago
Snowing in the Sierras mid June..not just a dusting..real snow!….where you been Camp?….. Still a good bit above average Snow cover left up north…you would think that as hot as its been reported it would have melted by now…oh..its still Snowing!… (Lazy post from phone and bed)
one month ago
Squaw Valley Spring/Summer Operating Schedule​Open for skiing and riding on Saturdays & Sundays June 10-25, 10am-2pmOpen for skiing and riding July 1-4, 10am-2pmOpen for skiing and riding on Saturdays starting July 8 into summer as conditions allow from 10am-2pmAerial Tram open for sightseeing Mon-Fri 10:40am-4:20pm, Sat-Sun 10am-4:20pm, last download at 5pm. Open for skiing Sat-Sun & July 1-4 10am-2pm…………………….. 24 degrees and snowing upper mtn early monday morning..12th of June…144 inch base left on top..thats Amazing!……….(open on Saturdays after July 4th till further notice….)
one month ago

Hello fish, I saw a report that there is skiing on six continents at teh moment. I joked “climate change” and received a lecture about the difference between weather and climate change. Seems that the weather forecast is just an educated guess, a probablity, not a guarantee of what is going to happen somewhere between tomorrow and five days from now because it is just to hard to predict precisly. Climate scientists can predict with great certainty what is going to happen years into the future unless a carbon exchange, similar to a stock exchange is funded immediatley. We should let the climate scientists start predicting the weather.

one month ago

The site has been slow, so I’ll take the bait this time. Just numericaly, it’s always easier to predict a global mean than a local event. The weather guys actually do much better with local event prediction than some other fields such as financial markets. A probability is the result of a model of a statistical distribution, an educated guess has no such bounds. Yes I consider this interesting.   

I wonder if anyone has skiied 6 continents in one season.  That would be a very beer-worthy. 

 

 

one month ago

I am guessing that there is no snow skiing in Africa at the moment?

When my one of my big investments in carbon futures, aged scotch whisky or pork bellies comes through I think I’ll take a couple dozen of my closest friends on just such a trip, six continents in one season. 

one month ago

jimmy wrote:

I am guessing that there is no snow skiing in Africa at the moment?

When my one of my big investments in carbon futures, aged scotch whisky or pork bellies comes through I think I’ll take a couple dozen of my closest friends on just such a trip, six continents in one season. 

And if frozen orange juice concentrate makes me my millions you’ll be at the top of my list. We’ll knock them out over a 1 month period. 

one month ago

Gonna be up at Yellowstone and Jackson next week.  Not taking skis this trip though.  Mom’s in charge and she don’t ski.  Fishing gear is packed though.  Picking up an RV in SLC and rolling north for a week.  Maybe I could sneak some ski blades in my checked bag and drop Corbetts on them?  Bet it’s quite gnarly this late in the summer thaw.  Hold my beer!

one month ago
How dare you joke about Climate change Jimmy!….we got it wrong in the 70’s about going back into an ice age but by Golly we got er down now…even Owl Bore said that the math he was using 11 years ago which should have lead to a complete Arctic wipeout and Manhattan under water by now was a little off..but the glitch has been fixed….stay tuned for the next movie…its a comin…Run for the Hills!…or get back into the Paris climate treaty to fix this mess…..
one month ago

For starters, that cooling and ice age theory our science teachers talked about in the late 70s was never a 97% majority opinion.  It wasn’t even a 50% opinion, just speculation with some data to support it.  As for more snow.. and more rain.. and more heavy storms, there is more moisture available in the atmosphere to be dumped on us when it’s not frozen at the poles anymore..  We’ll have more intense rain and more intense snow for the next 50 years, then shifting from more snow to less snow ane even more rain rain I guess. 
Enjoy it while it lasts.  I plan to.  It’s really that simple, but more complex analsys from more qualified experts below..  Not the article itself but more in the references cited in it.

 

Why Global Warming Can Mean Harsher Winter Weather

one month ago

jimmy wrote:

I am guessing that there is no snow skiing in Africa at the moment?

When my one of my big investments in carbon futures, aged scotch whisky or pork bellies comes through I think I’ll take a couple dozen of my closest friends on just such a trip, six continents in one season. 

let’s do a little searching over lunch…. in South Africa both Tiffindell and Afriski resorts are open, so that’s one continent.

 

one month ago
How Important Is “Scientific Consensus” in Climate Research? In the case of global warming, it is nearly worthless. The climate system is so complex that the vast majority of climate scientists — usually experts in variety of specialized fields — assume there are more knowledgeable scientists, and they are just supporting the opinions of their colleagues. And among that small group of most knowledgeable experts, there is a considerable element of groupthink, herd mentality, peer pressure, political pressure, support of certain energy policies, and desire to Save the Earth — whether it needs to be saved or not. (Dr. Roy Spencer…(Nasa employee)
one month ago

fishnski wrote:

How Important Is “Scientific Consensus” in Climate Research? In the case of global warming, it is nearly worthless. The climate system is so complex that the vast majority of climate scientists — usually experts in variety of specialized fields — assume there are more knowledgeable scientists, and they are just supporting the opinions of their colleagues. And among that small group of most knowledgeable experts, there is a considerable element of groupthink, herd mentality, peer pressure, political pressure, support of certain energy policies, and desire to Save the Earth — whether it needs to be saved or not. (Dr. Roy Spencer…(Nasa employee)

And their models are pretty damned spot on, even with the so called “pause” the projections made 30 years ago are right on track, and the increasing rate is accelerating just as predited globally.

one month ago

one month ago


Experts claimed the Arctic Ice would be gone 5 years ago…..Yeh…its felt a little heat but is holding up allright…is the slightly increased temps  Natural or Man made?…how much of it is man made and would you have wanted to have forked over the Gazillion  Bucks Obama wanted to try to fix it?…with most of that money going overseas to other countries who would cheat and steal it?….The US has done a tremendous job cleaning up our enviroment….we are really running clean now….

one month ago

fishnski wrote:

….where you been Camp?….. 

Funny, I just thought I’d check in to see if there’s anything fresh i can argue about today. Been biking and hiking and biking since the locals shut down and seein’ as i’m gettin’ all hot and sweaty, i was hopin’ you’d have some cold wx to throw on me. I’m with ya Fish. These other dudes on here with their science links an shit don’t have nuthin on you. #MakeSummersColdAgain

23 days ago

fishnski wrote:
Experts claimed the Arctic Ice would be gone 5 years ago…..Yeh…its felt a little heat but is holding up allright…is the slightly increased temps  Natural or Man made?…how much of it is man made and would you have wanted to have forked over the Gazillion  Bucks Obama wanted to try to fix it?…with most of that money going overseas to other countries who would cheat and steal it?….The US has done a tremendous job cleaning up our enviroment….we are really running clean now….

AHEM -  http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-40461726

23 days ago

Crush wrote:

 

AHEM -  http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-40461726

Dr Degrasse Tyson commented on that this week.  Neil said..”If we can turn Mars in to Earth, why can’t we just turn Earth in to Earth again??”

22 days ago

fishnski wrote:

https://youtu.be/bSBNqNriDSg

wote a  lot about my agenda and all I have been doing as much damage as I can as a Turmp  resistor - then cooled it off. Save it for anoher day. 

 

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22 days ago

YouTube Posts from the partisan brain dead hate mongers. Real scientific.

 

 

22 days ago

Latest Searise news…..it was reported the other day that due to Searise a mile of the Cape hatteras Island has gone under water….
Wait a minute….sorry folks…got that wrong….a new Mile long Island has just formed off of Cape point Hatteras?….im Confused…

22 days ago

fishnski wrote:

Latest Searise news…..it was reported the other day that due to Searise a mile of the Cape hatteras Island has gone under water….
Wait a minute….sorry folks…got that wrong….a new Mile long Island has just formed off of Cape point Hatteras?….im Confused…

I know right?

And f** those peeps who say it’s just a natural sandbar or shoaling. And just like that Tangier Island story, like the big man said, this Hatteras island will probably be there for hundreds more years.

22 days ago
The Island formed..OFF of Cape point..Ocean side…yeh…Sand bars have been drifting here and there forever but I could see the Headlines now if a mile of Island sunk….It sure wouldnt be about natural shifting sandbars!….
22 days ago

fishnski wrote:

The Island formed..OFF of Cape point..Ocean side…yeh…Sand bars have been drifting here and there forever but I could see the Headlines now if a mile of Island sunk….It sure wouldnt be about natural shifting sandbars!….

I know its oceanside, i’ve been reading about this too and am familiar with Hatteras and spend a lot of time at the top end of that frame. Another big issue with Hatteras is that the inlets have been shoaling up and one inlet in particular has become challenging and closed at some times to deeper draft boats. How can there be shallower inlets in an era of sea level rise, right? It’s like, how can Tahoe have got so much snow when the earth is heating up. And my stoopid local wx man saying it’s going to be 70% showers today and it’s sunny outside my window. Pfft, scientists. Stephen Hawking, wth does he know?

21 days ago
21 days ago

JimK wrote:

Squaw runs lifts on 4th of July for only 4th time in history:

What more proof could there be that warming is a hoax?

This looks great, I skied almost every weekend this season on less that that

21 days ago

and at Bachelor

21 days ago

Bigger rain and snow (when cold enough) totals were predicted for this period by the climatologists.  I’ll take it as long as the rain snow line remains within 3 hours of my house.

 

Let’s see here, millions of miles of coastline are lost every year at incrasing rates but it’s all OK because there’s ONE pretty neat new sandbar?  Got it.  I feel much better now hahaha.. meanwhile Mar-A-Lago is flooding more and more often hahahaha

19 days ago
Show me proof of miles and miles of missing shoreline..then tell me where the searise is coming from and also prove to me/Us that its not just normal erosion or that the land is actually sinking which is happening all over….. BTW…most of the searise for us is supposed to come from a melting Greenland…. Greenland just set the record for coldest July temperature ever reported in the Northern Hemisphere at -33C.
19 days ago

It amazes me how a scientific issue has become an ideological issue. The US Geological survey has been monitoring sea level rise for many decades. The actual results indicates that there has been a rise of about 6 inches. I know you won’t check this out since it may pop the ideological bubble you live in, but below is a link to the nearly 200 scientific organizations that endorse the idea that humans have had an effect on our climate. The geeky scientists may not be as charming as the marketing whizzes that the American Petroleum Insitute has hired to put doubts in the minds of partisans like you, but they have dedicated their lives to studying this issue and the scientific results are out there. You can’t deny the facts. You can question what we should do about it, yes absolutely. Anybody who thinks we can burn hundreds of millions of years worth of carbon based fossil fuels in a little over a hundred years with no effects what so ever doesn’t understand physics, thermodynamics and is generally a brain dead, poorly informed, ideologically influenced cabbage head who doesn’t have the common sense that God gave geese. Whethrer or not that the coldest temperature in July ever record just happened or they are skiing in July in Lake Tahoe has absolutely nothing to do with climate change. Weather happens and it will continue to happen.

Fishnski - every year, like the return of the lightning bugs, you have to get your soap box out to profess your Trumpian ideals on a site where skiing is suppose to be subject matter. The fishing is good….why not trade the self righteous soap box for a fishing rod and give us a a break from this contentious subject.

https://www.opr.ca.gov/s_listoforganizations.php

 

 

 

19 days ago
SS, Your post lost its credibility as soon as you referenced a .gov website.
18 days ago

SCWVA wrote:

SS, Your post lost its credibility as soon as you referenced a .gov website.

In all seriousness, how is that  ?  I worked for 9 years in a NIH science lab with a nobel laureate and a winner of the american chemical society gold medal.  We worked in a peer reviewed section that had to prove worth every two years.  I worked my ass off wiith a lot of dedicated people and it was a great experience.  So how did you reach that conlusion?   Enough of this science hate.

18 days ago
The C02 effect on climate is not a scientific done deal and is being questioned big time lately…Scientist that have been living high on the GW Hog of course would not question it… C02 has obviously been great for Canaan Valley…its so green and lush right now and I dont think it even got to 70 today…C02 is really good for our planet…ive lived on the water most of my life and dont see any searise…just hear about it…. Btw..whats your carbon footprint Mr Smith?…be Honest…and what amount of money and fossil fuel luxeries are you willing to give up to fix this mess we have been hearing about for over 30 years now?
18 days ago

refreshed my learnings and im gathering that we have 400 parts per million of co2 in our atmosphere atm…we have had as much and probably more than the 4400ppm estimated during the last ice age….also from what I gather after 20 to 30ppm co2 is a nothing burger…its allready nearly maxed out in its warming at that point…..so…enjoy the green green grass of home!…..also..
remember SS..everytime you explode so angrilly in response to anything you are standing on your own soapbox…but I still enjoy your posts here  and on any thread so keep em coming!

PS….double blanket morning here in the land of Canaan….53 this morn….

18 days ago

https://www.facebook.com/NowThisPolitics/videos/1603422099689274/

17 days ago

SCWVA wrote:

SS, Your post lost its credibility as soon as you referenced a .gov website.

 

If you don’t trust most media outlets, you don’t trust the overwhelming majority of the scientific community, you don’t trust government funded research, expecially NASA who put men on the moon in the 60s and just landed a space ship on a freakin comet millions of miles from here travening at an amazing rate of speed… If you can’t trust those sources, it’s not sources you have  problem believing, it’s FACTS which don’t align with what you’d prefer to believe that you have a problem accepting.

17 days ago

Crigldart - BINGO! These folks don’t “believe” so they shoot the messenger. In this case, scientists who have spent their life researching this subject. I would like to know how these scientist will benefit from their research? As opposed to the oil and coal lobby who repeat billions in profits. But we trust them? That said, we are completely dependent on these sources of energy and will be until we suck it all out of the ground or it get’s too scarce and too expensive for most regular folks to be able to afford it. At that point, all the dummies won’t have a choice. I hope this situation comes after I am 6 feet under. Quite frankly, I think we all hope these climate predictions are wrong. Debate is fine But denigratinging scientists because you don’t ‘believe’ I think is incomprehensible.

17 days ago

fishnski wrote:

The C02 effect on climate is… Btw..whats your carbon footprint Mr Smith?…be Honest…and what amount of money and fossil fuel luxeries are you willing to give up to fix this mess we have been hearing about for over 30 years now?

I agree with you. I live out in the country so I am totally dependent on my internal combustion automobile. Now fuel usage was one of my main criteria when we purchased our cars. However, I would say my foot print is perhaps average. I do heat my house with wood, and a heat pump. I don’t drive a full size pick up or SUV.  But I am a contributor to the problem. And that’s why I always say you can debate the solution to this problem. It could be very costly and impactful. Based on The world’s oil reserves and how fast we’re using them, I think at some point we’ll be forced into alternative solutions. Thus the problem will tend to solve itself, at least partially. I am an engineer, energy is critical to every problem we analyze and solve. Energy cannot be invented, only transferred to one form to another. If we can get energy economically from a source that does not pollute or impact the atmosphere, how can that be a bad thing? But to pretend that somehow human activity has no effect on our climate is just not factual. That’s the issue that drives me crazy. And my posts are supposed to sarcastic, not angry. 😉

17 days ago

Im not seriously concerned and think its cool that you burn wood SS but just for kicks and giggles here is a response….

First off …burning wood that lives off of C02 is not good for the inviro….personaly ive planted hundreds of trees…also …
chemicals are produced when wood is burnt, including one of the most potent greenhouse gases, nitrogen dioxide; although the amounts may be small (200 g of CO2 equivalent per kg of wood burnt), the gas is 300 times more potent as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide and lasts 120 years in the atmos….

17 days ago

Do we have to go through this *every* *single* *year*?  Since this topic inevitably leads to a battle, please keep the climate change discussions and other politicized topics off of DCSki.  This is not the place for that.

16 days ago

I think everybody has been very good this time around…(wellll..one of us might of got a little grumpy..) great thread for a slow summer….but im only going to post real time factual unbiased  state of the climate reports from now on…starting this fall….im out till then…enjoy…and thx for some good posts uall…been fun!

16 days ago

Oh fish, this was fun, skiing on the fourth of july, brain dead cabbage heads, like a dead head only smells funny.

Anyways speaking of dead cabbage heads, how do you think they got dead?

Skiing without a helment, that’s how. 

16 days ago

This

“Fishnski - every year, like the return of the lightning bugs, ……………………….”

was pretty funny too; maybe more like buzzards return to Hinkley

 

15 days ago

Cabbage head was what my Polish grandmother called someone who she believed had no common sense only she used the Polish version - capusciana glowa. 

However, the important news is that Mr. Fishnski has admitted that their is a cause for climate change….my wood stove. Along with poisoned dying children and the cause of frog deformities, it seems my wood stove is pure evil. And I thought I was just saving a few bucks on my heating bill! 

15 days ago

Capa tosta, same thing in Italian. So you are using a two stroke stihl farmboss to clear cut the mid-Atlantic rain forest just to keep your house warm?? 

Shame

15 days ago

Ah, Lightning Bug, fireflys, they are actually beatles not flys but never the less, the ones from California are not very bright, in fact they don’t light up at all. 

15 days ago

I had to delete mypost on Fireflies…too offensive to firefly lovers….

15 days ago

Didn’t see a single June bug this year.  Five years ago they completely covered the pool a couple nights.  As for individual footprint..  Today I finally got around to addingn insulation, 24” in the attic of our 60 something year old house.  There was ZERO up there before today.  Put in new windows about 10 years ago.  Attic insulation ought to make a HUGE dent on our cooling and heating energy expenses and footprint.

13 days ago

Nice zero to 24 in an afternoon. 

What happened to your Beatles?

12 days ago

jimmy wrote:

Nice zero to 24 in an afternoon. 

What happened to your Beatles?

Speaking of Beatles… Put some of these out a few days ago. Already full of a bunch ornery Japanese Beatles at this point. 

“Use of the Japanese beetle’s natural sex attractant for trapping is an ideal method to aid in the control of the insect through its own natural biology.”   

It’s basically a huge bag of smut in my back yard. Hope the cops don’t fine it…

4 days ago

Scott wrote:

Do we have to go through this *every* *single* *year*?  Since this topic inevitably leads to a battle, please keep the climate change discussions and other politicized topics off of DCSki.  This is not the place for that.

ya man! the voice of reason- oh heh it is your site geez. I think you should kick us *all* off . I can’t, in restospect, believe how we have all (except you my dear moderator) have become *** **** and indeed we have. No more for me.

I’m out - we don’t want this anymore - goodbye and thanks for all the fish.

 

M and E

4 days ago

Crush,

Don’t go!!!

By the way, did you move from Park City?

MorganB

aka The Colonel

4 days ago

What an unbelievably rude reply.  It is my site — I’m the one pouring my time and money into it, and it’s called DCSki, not DC-Let’s-Endlessly-Debate-About-Climate-Change-Thus-Driving-Away-People-Who-Come-Here-To-Escape-Politics-And-Talk-About-Skiing.com.

But I’m the bad guy.  Thank you for that nice feedback, and for using language fitting for the family audience of DCSki (language that I edited to change to *’s.). There are children that read this site, Crush.

Crush wrote:

Scott wrote:

Do we have to go through this *every* *single* *year*?  Since this topic inevitably leads to a battle, please keep the climate change discussions and other politicized topics off of DCSki.  This is not the place for that.

ya man! the voice of reason- oh heh it is your site geez. I think you should kick us *all* off . I can’t, in restospect, believe how we have all (except you my dear moderator) have become *** **** and indeed we have. No more for me.

I’m out - we don’t want this anymore - goodbye and thanks for all the fish.

 

M and E

 

4 days ago

Scott wrote:

What an unbelievably rude reply.  It is my site — I’m the one pouring my time and money into it, and it’s called DCSki, not DC-Let’s-Endlessly-Debate-About-Climate-Change-Thus-Driving-Away-People-Who-Come-Here-To-Escape-Politics-And-Talk-About-Skiing.com.

But I’m the bad guy.  Thank you for that nice feedback, and for using language fitting for the family audience of DCSki (language that I edited to change to *’s.). There are children that read this site, Crush.

Oy - i am not sure why my post to you got spun 180 degrees - you are the *hero* here and we are the dumb a$$e$ and me included. Mea maxima cupla. Scott you were and  never will be a bad guy - only a good guy to me.  i confess my rather cryptic and cynical way of writing often backfires but when i say ” … voice of reason …” i truly mean it. iI’ll put it down to too much reading of Shaw and  Emil Cioran and of course Douglas Adams with booze as a catylist. You are pretty sharp in a literary fashion i am suprised that you never caught my self deprication where i never use a capial “I” when i write about myself . From Major Barbara …  “He knows nothing; and he thinks he knows everything. That points clearly to a political career.”

4 days ago
Crush the politician!…Sobers up an fires of a fast one!… I just dont understand why its such a big deal that a thread that probably interests a ton of folks has to be silenced by a small minority that has other threads to read..they are not forced to read it…they can turn the channel…This is DCSKI…not Hodunk Bible belt Stepford Wivesville….This site could be a huge draw for everything DC to go along with the Nordic Scene….I think its time for Dcski to grow up and get real…but u r right Bossman Scott..ur site that you have busted your butt on and that should and is respected and appreciated but please dont be too hard on some of us that bend the rules at times…we b only human….and thats what humans do..otherwise we would all be stuck in a rut…dont like that..we must evolve…
3 days ago
The record low on this date for Mt Washington,Nh summit is 33 back in 1953..its 35 right now at 2:08pm….Snow tonite?…
2 days ago

Record high today for St. Louis- 108 degrees. Previous record was 107 set in 1901. No snow for St. Louie today.

2 days ago

Wow…that is Sizzling…dont want to know what the heat index was!….St Louie BBQ without the charcoal…,,,
. One interesting tidbit I just found out was that in the last 30 days we have had 638 record highs in the US but 1124 record low highs…
Also I read a tweet where a weatherman from New England was worried that the cool pattern they are in might fizzle out by Dec when the snow lovers need it…hope not but that just goes to show how important timing is for a good or bad month for snow n cold  and that goes for the season as well…

yesterday

Well it sure fizzled out last winter when I visited. 60’s and rain followed by a brief snow shower then freezing temperatures. The worst ‘velcro’ snow I have ever skied on. Then it all froze. They groomed it but as it got skied off, all of the boiler plate below created by the rainy freeze/thaw weather of last winter was exposed. I have second thoughts about returning to New England unless it is spur of the moment to coincide with some decent winter weather. After 3 lousy winters, we’re due for a decent winter here in the East. And as the fat lady once said, “Timing is everything”.

yesterday

snowsmith wrote:

Well it sure fizzled out last winter when I visited. 60’s and rain followed by a brief snow shower then freezing temperatures. The worst ‘velcro’ snow I have ever skied on. Then it all froze. They groomed it but as it got skied off, all of the boiler plate below created by the rainy freeze/thaw weather of last winter was exposed. I have second thoughts about returning to New England unless it is spur of the moment to coincide with some decent winter weather. After 3 lousy winters, we’re due for a decent winter here in the East. And as the fat lady once said, “Timing is everything”.

We got lucky last season with a 3 day trip to Gore we got there just before Winter Storm Stella, STELLAAAAAA!!

yesterday

Warmer oceans facilitate bigger precipitation events, both rain and snow.  Folks well above the snow lines are enjoying the benefits as long as they remain above the rain/slow lines..  Folks below it are.. below it 

yesterday

my beach surf temp is 82….it was 80 and 79 1 to 2 weeks ago….its been hot here but the ocean is right at the average temp for this time of year….(source NWS ),,,ave is 82 but goes up to 83 beginning of Aug….4 days away…air temp 86..surf temp 82…SWEET!

23 hours ago

jimmy wrote:

snowsmith wrote:

Well it sure fizzled out last winter when I visited. 60’s and rain followed by a brief snow shower then freezing temperatures. The worst ‘velcro’ snow I have ever skied on. Then it all froze. They groomed it but as it got skied off, all of the boiler plate below created by the rainy freeze/thaw weather of last winter was exposed. I have second thoughts about returning to New England unless it is spur of the moment to coincide with some decent winter weather. After 3 lousy winters, we’re due for a decent winter here in the East. And as the fat lady once said, “Timing is everything”.

We got lucky last season with a 3 day trip to Gore we got there just before Winter Storm Stella, STELLAAAAAA!!

wow….whiteout!….(am I the only one that cant see the pic?)

an hour ago

fishnski wrote:

my beach surf temp is 82….it was 80 and 79 1 to 2 weeks ago….its been hot here but the ocean is right at the average temp for this time of year….(source NWS ),,,ave is 82 but goes up to 83 beginning of Aug….4 days away…air temp 86..surf temp 82…SWEET!

Average ocean temps are a degree higher than they were a few decades ago right?  I remember surfing in a wetsuit until mid June off Long Island in the early 1980s.  Down here in NC I don’t usually need one after May.  One degree makes a difference surfing but not as much as it makes when a hurricane is forming or fizzling out.

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