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How much is not having to wax worth? New idea from DPS
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marzNC - DCSki Supporter
3 months ago

DPS is offering a new product via Kickstarter called Phantom that is called a Permanent Base Glide Treatment for skis and snowboards.  Regular price expected to be $100 to treat one pair of skis or one snowboard.  R&D took about a year.  Testing was done in New Zealand and South America during the summer of 2017.  DPS is targeting people who think their skis/boards only last about four years.

The Kickstarter campaign met the goal on Day 1 of a 30-day campaign.  Already over $50,000 from almost 500 people.  DPS did an eBlast to their eList and promoted on Facebook. 

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dpsskis/phantom-permanent-base-glide-treatment-for-skis-an/description

Thoughts?  Useful?  Silly?

3 months ago

I got the blast and checked out the kickstarter page and marketing info.  It’s advertised as penetrating throughout the base (ptex).  My question is does it withstand a base grind?  Could very well have an impact in rental market and those owners that ski just a few days a season.

3 months ago

Discussion on PugSki said it’s deep in to the base and they actually recommend base grinds every 30 days to refresh the sheen.  Unless it’s really cold or really warm my only gain from wax is storage to prevent rusted edges and oxidation.  This won’t protect the edges.  Also not thinking a grind every 30 days isn’t for people who keep skis more than one or two seasons

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
3 months ago

Haven’t listened to the podcast yet, but here’s the Blister Gear review.

http://blistergearreview.com/featured/dps-phantom-and-the-end-of-ski-wax

Turns out another product based on the same hydrophobic concept has been on the market in Europe for at least a season.  Look No Wax calls their product Juice.  Have decided to push the basic spray that retails for $20-25 instead of the “permanent” version that is around $100.

https://looknowax.com

The FAQs on the Phantom Kickstarter page are worth reading.  In one of the infographics, the target audience is people who keep their skis/boards for about 4 years.  Think about who’s been buying DPS skis for powder skiing and backcountry.  DPS only started moving into the northeast and Mid-Atlantic market a year or two ago.  Founded in 2005, based in SLC.

3 months ago

I think I posted this last season, but I picked up a pair of DPS Wailer F99’s in March, and they are probably my favorite skis I’ve ever owned.  Ridiculously light and snappy.  Really amazing ski…

3 months ago

crgildart wrote:

Discussion on PugSki said it’s deep in to the base and they actually recommend base grinds every 30 days to refresh the sheen.

I missed that.  Who would grind every 30 days?  Not seeing the ROI here, unless you’re a rental shop saving labor, material & capital expenses for daily waxing.  Maybe.

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
3 months ago

There were testers at Loveland in October.  Their impressions were reported in SKI Magazine.  They skied on “three pairs of DPS Cassiar F95 skis to test: one pair freshly waxed, one pair nude (both skis are wax-free), and a third pair with a special technology installed in the base, called Phantom… .”

https://www.skimag.com/gear/dps-phantom-test

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
2 months ago

The DPS Phantom Kickstarter ended with backing from about 2000 people who pledged almost $300K.  Shipping is supposed to happen before mid-January.

Found out that DPS tried to work with the inventor of Juice.  That’s a product that’s been sold in Europe for about a year that is based on the same chemistry.  The inventor is a British engineer who is a ski instructor in Austria.  There were weaknesses in the product and DPS found it hard to move forward with any sort of partnership.  That’s why they turned to the Univ. of Utah professort.  Recently there was a Kickstarter started for Juice Infinity but the campaign was cancelled after only a week or so.

2 months ago

Ski manufactureres will love this.  Base-grinding your skis every 30 days…how many grinds can you get out of a ski base until it’s useless?  Kills the used ski market and drives new ski sales up.

2 months ago

Every 30 days of use. For me a typical season 30 days.  I can attest that 50% on the slope local to here need some sort of wax or base boost.  Many shops offer free wax service.  I do like to wax .my own.  

 

 

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
2 months ago

Bonzski wrote:

Ski manufactureres will love this.  Base-grinding your skis every 30 days…how many grinds can you get out of a ski base until it’s useless?  Kills the used ski market and drives new ski sales up.

Base grinding is not required every 30 days.  Only suggested if someone wants their skis to look nice and shiny without doing a waxing.

Clearly DPS is not expecting a wholesale shift to Phantom.  But there is obviously a market and money to be made.  They did the Kickstarter partially because they wanted to get the word out to snowboarders as well as skiers.  I assume waxing a board taking longer than waxing a pair of skis.

2 months ago

skiracerx wrote:

Every 30 days of use. For me a typical season 30 days.  I can attest that 50% on the slope local to here need some sort of wax or base boost.  Many shops offer free wax service.  I do like to wax .my own.  

Ok that makes better sense.  I wax my own too.

2 months ago

marzNC wrote:

Bonzski wrote:

Ski manufactureres will love this.  Base-grinding your skis every 30 days…how many grinds can you get out of a ski base until it’s useless?  Kills the used ski market and drives new ski sales up.

Base grinding is not required every 30 days.  Only suggested if someone wants their skis to look nice and shiny without doing a waxing.

Clearly DPS is not expecting a wholesale shift to Phantom.  But there is obviously a market and money to be made.  They did the Kickstarter partially because they wanted to get the word out to snowboarders as well as skiers.  I assume waxing a board taking longer than waxing a pair of skis.

Not really, I found snowboards faster (when I did my kids) because it’s one surface vs two.

2 months ago

Not really sure I’d call this a “new idea”.  Every generation of new base material since wood has been promoted amd marketed as “no longer need to wax” new technokogy from the first plastic, to p-tex to sintered, etc.. etc..

Every interation they turn around and sell wax to adopters anyway.  No doubt shortly after this DPS or someone else will be selling some kind of spray on refresher coating to enhance and prolong the glide performance.

 

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