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SeniorSki
February 7, 2023
Member since 01/31/2022 🔗
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Is anyone out there capable of producing an accurate graph of the amount of days this this area hit 30 degrees and below can’t really blow snow at 32, during the winter season. Suggest a mean point in the middle Atlantic with a base elevation of 1000 feet, maybe white tail as the base? Run the graph in ten year increments, 70’s, 80’s, 90’s, 2000’s, 2010’s. Would be really interesting to see if there are any trends? Was it really colder earlier and now it is getting warmer. 

My sense is it is getting warmer and hate to say it but only those resorts starting at 3K will be around 10 years from now. Hopefully I’m totally wrong and all the local resorts will survive. And provide skiing enjoyment for multiple generations. However sometimes you have to face reality. The long range forcast for the rest of February looks awful for snow lovers, such as me. Heck I even enjoy shoveling snow, and my trusty blade is still hanging in the garage. Sure would love to pull it down before April. 
Shotmaker
February 7, 2023
Member since 02/18/2014 🔗
180 posts
Snowshoe was blowing snow last evening at 35 degrees. BTW the snow conditions were 9/10 - 10/10 from last Friday through noon today I guess that has something to do with the amount of people skiing here during those 5 days!
Bonzski
February 7, 2023
Member since 10/21/2015 🔗
654 posts

Shotmaker wrote:

Snowshoe was blowing snow last evening at 35 degrees. BTW the snow conditions were 9/10 - 10/10 from last Friday through noon today I guess that has something to do with the amount of people skiing here during those 5 days!

 Skier's left on Spruce was 10/10 all weekend. I found the lines to be much shorter than usual except at Soaring Eagle where kids racing on Widowmaker.

snowsmith - DCSki Supporter 
February 7, 2023
Member since 03/15/2004 🔗
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According to NWS, the La Niña pattern is supposed to start transitioning to a more ‘neutral’ pattern starting in March. And this pattern will change our weather over time. Not sure what a neutral pattern (I.e. not La Niña or El Niño) will have on our winter. I would hope it can only get better.
wfyurasko - DCSki Supporter 
February 7, 2023
Member since 07/27/2014 🔗
353 posts

snowsmith wrote:

According to NWS, the La Niña pattern is supposed to start transitioning to a more ‘neutral’ pattern starting in March. And this pattern will change our weather over time. Not sure what a neutral pattern (I.e. not La Niña or El Niño) will have on our winter. I would hope it can only get better.

 I fully expect lousy Smarch weather and the one accumulating storm in the DC area in about 5 or 6 weeks. We had a fair amount of March snowfall in the area between 2013 and 2018.

SeniorSki
February 7, 2023
Member since 01/31/2022 🔗
145 posts

Fingers crossed for a March snow storm 🫰

35 degrees I doubt they are making snow, you can but the wet bulb needs to be 24. If they are it is low quality. The best temps are 28 and below. 

Of course snowshoe is great, Timberline too. They invested the money and their base elevation is the 3K level, a huge advantage, they can blow huge quantities of snow for long periods, where other resorts can’t even turn the guns on. 

Shotmaker
February 7, 2023
Member since 02/18/2014 🔗
180 posts

SeniorSki wrote:

Fingers crossed for a March snow storm 🫰

35 degrees I doubt they are making snow, you can but the wet bulb needs to be 24. If they are it is low quality. The best temps are 28 and below. 

The temperature may have been off but that is what Snowshoe was reporting. They report the temperature from the Weather Underground station in the Village.  It wasn’t a humid evening so the wet bulb was where it needed to be to get things underway. Everything is programmed and computer synched so at least on top of the mountain they were putting down great snow.

 

ZARDOG
February 10, 2023
Member since 10/25/2020 🔗
187 posts

That would be a bit of data crunching.

- The issue this season is high temps. sustained. 

- Snowmaking avg days a season (from my brain) is about 15 days out of 100. local 

   Stays cold and the trails are fine with light snowmaking and grooming.

it is not TEMPS but humidity + temps and wet bulb for making snow.

I will get in 15 to 20 visits and I cannot say a bad season just a bit tough to get the best days. 

Positive spin the milder temps cut our heating bills.

NAO North Atlantic oscillation 

Flat- except for the COL in Dec. NAO negative holds the cold longer in the east

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AO Arctic Oscillation - when the cold air in the Arctic gets released to come down to the  USA 48

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These are the indicators I use. on top of Climate models, 2 weeks forward looks, etc.

Liberty from last Thurs to Tues doubled the base on existing trails.  All they can do. 

I just adjust my planning, Warm wax, Zardoz Base Boost, Structure, rid the shade / follow the sun.

Lastly - remember your best day ever. There may be many. 

Be Happy

Zardog

snapdragon
February 10, 2023
Member since 01/27/2015 🔗
353 posts
i think Zardog has provided an excellent synopsis of the season so far...the epic windows have been opened at tline a lot this year even with low natural snow...a bit of the warm...then a bit of the cold...the queen of the potomac highlands is reslathered in two days...stay stoked...yew!
chaga
February 10, 2023
Member since 11/24/2009 🔗
646 posts

Bring on another Miracle March like 2013 and 2018! 

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snapdragon wrote:

i think Zardog has provided an excellent synopsis of the season so far...the epic windows have been opened at tline a lot this year even with low natural snow...a bit of the warm...then a bit of the cold...the queen of the potomac highlands is reslathered in two days...stay stoked...yew!
SeniorSki
February 10, 2023
Member since 01/31/2022 🔗
145 posts

Nice work. I did some digging into the National Weather Service, found a site that looked like it will give you temps for each year in a given area. I don’t have the computer skills to figure it out. I still do math with paper and pencil, ha. From my aging brain it seems that in the 70’s through 90’s the winters seemed to be more uniform, steady temps. Long periods of time when temps stayed at or just below freezing. Not the big jumps too way below and way above normal. Seems like these days we have drastic changes in temperature fluctuations. I definitely could be all wrong. I believe we did have a year in 72/73 that had no snow, could be because of no precipitation was available. 

Looks like the southern Appalachian’s are going to get blasted, Sugar will be dancing. You know I just jinxed it. 

Come on March blizzard, February still looks bad. Hope the local resorts can hang on. 

Grumpy dad
February 10, 2023
Member since 11/7/2021 🔗
144 posts

While any storm is fun and interesting...

In March, ...the temps usually warm up quick dissolving any gains quickly.  

And wet snow is not fun to ski/board in until it has been groomed. 

Id like to see ONE powder day in this area...ONE

snowsmith - DCSki Supporter 
February 10, 2023
Member since 03/15/2004 🔗
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