Nothing ever changes.

nickhaas212 wrote:

What improvements or changes will happen to CV for the upcoming ski season? Will there be a change in management? Will there be more investment as WV invests in other state parks, such as Lost River, Hawks Nest (new lift), and Pipe Stem (new lift)?

Unfortunately I agree. Don't expect anything for improvements.  As long as hotel management continues to take the money and use it for the hotel and golf course. 

Even replacing the old airhog tower guns and adding new permanent energy efficient tower guns that rely on ground guns would help with a faster opening of trails. 

How does this situation still exist?

Would spending the money (operating expenses, currently determined and allocated by the management company) for 12 weeks to make enough snow to open (and keep open) 50% of the mountain acreage increase increase skier visits by 250 a week? If this is a reasonable assumption-

That is 3k additional skier visits. Lets pretend half are already coming to the Valley because of TL (which is at capacity on multiple Saturdays and Sundays).

That is still 1,500+ meals and whole lot of room nights.

The whole point of the state-owned resort is to stimulate the local economy and increase tax receipts.

No one in Tucker County or the State government can follow this logic?      

padjaski68 wrote:

Unfortunately I agree. Don't expect anything for improvements.  As long as hotel management continues to take the money and use it for the hotel and golf course. 

Even replacing the old airhog tower guns and adding new permanent energy efficient tower guns that rely on ground guns would help with a faster opening of trails. 

nickhaas212 wrote:

It’s the same story different day. What’s amusing to me is that so many people stay at the surrounding state park lodges and dine at the restaurants they have and go to TLine. 

While I know there have been discussions, if the state could agree to terms with TLine to allow them to be the operator of only the ski area and while providing the capital to upgrade the infrastructure, you will have two mountains that will stimulate the economy with minimal impact on the environment!

Also if they can pay 4-8 million for a pulse gondola at Pipe Stem, they can give a couple of million to Canaan…

 And I believe they still pay a resort fee if staying if staying at state owned lodges. So, WV still gets money from those skiing at TM. And lodging is pretty tough to come by in the valley. No matter where or if they ski.

CVR is a disaster, ops wise, but dunno how many more skiers they would attract. The mountain does have its limitations, and I’ve skied every resort inch and side country there. Its claim to fame is relatively untracked natty when the snow is good. 

Patf1engineer wrote:

We have stayed at both Canaan and Blackwater falls lodges on trips to Timberline several times and have had good experiences with both. We have not skied at Canaan because it has honestly never been worth it when we are there due to their limitations. I think with some upgrades to lifts and snowmaking it would be a great compliment to Timberline.

 How does the restaurant at Blackwater compare to the CV Lodge?  I stayed at the CV Lodge for a night but it was a while ago.

Trying to decide where to stay for a non-holiday January weekend.  The last couple seasons I've shared a condo at Land of Canaan.  Don't really want to commit to that again.  The last couple trips it was so frigid and windy we didn't ski as much as expected.  I drive from Massanutten after being there for a week.  As much as I enjoy skiing Timberline, this time I'm more inclined to cancel if the weather isn't cooperating.

marzNC wrote:

Patf1engineer wrote:

We have stayed at both Canaan and Blackwater falls lodges on trips to Timberline several times and have had good experiences with both. We have not skied at Canaan because it has honestly never been worth it when we are there due to their limitations. I think with some upgrades to lifts and snowmaking it would be a great compliment to Timberline.

 How does the restaurant at Blackwater compare to the CV Lodge?  I stayed at the CV Lodge for a night but it was a while ago.

Trying to decide where to stay for a non-holiday January weekend.  The last couple seasons I've shared a condo at Land of Canaan.  Don't really want to commit to that again.  The last couple trips it was so frigid and windy we didn't ski as much as expected.  I drive from Massanutten after being there for a week.  As much as I enjoy skiing Timberline, this time I'm more inclined to cancel if the weather isn't cooperating.

 The BBQ place at Blackwater was pretty good. Honestly the food is decent at Canaan also. The rooms at Blackwater were a little small and could probably use some updating. 

Patf1engineer wrote:

marzNC wrote:

Patf1engineer wrote:

We have stayed at both Canaan and Blackwater falls lodges on trips to Timberline several times and have had good experiences with both. We have not skied at Canaan because it has honestly never been worth it when we are there due to their limitations. I think with some upgrades to lifts and snowmaking it would be a great compliment to Timberline.

 How does the restaurant at Blackwater compare to the CV Lodge?  I stayed at the CV Lodge for a night but it was a while ago.

Trying to decide where to stay for a non-holiday January weekend.  The last couple seasons I've shared a condo at Land of Canaan.  Don't really want to commit to that again.  The last couple trips it was so frigid and windy we didn't ski as much as expected.  I drive from Massanutten after being there for a week.  As much as I enjoy skiing Timberline, this time I'm more inclined to cancel if the weather isn't cooperating.

 The BBQ place at Blackwater was pretty good. Honestly the food is decent at Canaan also. The rooms at Blackwater were a little small and could probably use some updating. 

Thanks.  I had a good dinner at CV Lodge the one night I stayed there.  Appreciated not having to go elsewhere because I'd just driven from Snowshoe in the snow that afternoon.

It's interesting that Blackwater and CV Lodge have different cancellation policies.  That might be a factor for the stay I'm thinking about.  CV Lodge requires making a decision at least 5 days in advance of the check-in date.  Blackwater has a 48-hour cancellation policy to get a refund of the deposit.

padjaski68 wrote:

I stayed a few times there this past Winter. It was clean both times. Staff was friendly.  The only drawback was their breakfast. Very simple not much to offer. If you go midweek just remember CV doesn't have any food options Monday thru Thursday until 11am. The Breakfast Nook is a good option if want breakfast and plan to ski at CV. TLine offers the breakfast option early. 

Sounds good.  Thanks!

Having been doing intermittent fasting for a while, so I don't eat breakfast most of the time.  I noticed last year that Timberline serves breakfast.  When I ski CV using Indy, I typically ski CV in the morning, head to Tline for lunch, then start skiing after 12:30 so I get a $10 credit for skiing less than 4 hours.  Get a second $10 for doing that midweek.

All their lifts are 1986 and 1988 installations.   The snowmaking is antiquated and that’s being polite.

Unless significant money is available, no one can make that ski area live up to its potential.  I used to work there.

it’s great when it snows and the entire place is open, but otherwise it is dreadful.

kwillg6 wrote:

I can say that there are changes happening at the ski area.  A new mountain manager who knows his stuff and new patrol leaders.  Ongoing pre-season work on lifts, snowmaking infrastructure, and new groomers on the way.  I won't mention the individual who will be running the show, but he's a long-term fixture in the valley who accepted the challenge to improve the skiing.  If anybody can right the ship, he can.