Utah Trip Report
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JohnL - DCSki Supporter 
February 9, 2010
Member since 01/6/2000 🔗
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See Epic Ski Trip Report for pictures.

Obviously, this info is dated and the snow in the Mid Atlantic is better right now, but some hopefully interesting tips/perspective.

Powder Mountain, Sat 1/30
Warm-up day for myself and some other Epic Bears on a local's mountain with few amenities, which is becoming increasingly more discovered. Mebbe I shouldn't be posting about it. confused It is about a 1.5 hour drive north of SLC (stayed in Midvale/Union Park at the base of Big Cottonwood Canyon.) Like its near neighbor Snowbasin, Powder Mountain often is in a different weather pattern than the Cottonwood resorts near Salt Lake. Unfortunately, Pow Mow did not get anywhere near the 84" of snow that Alta and other areas got the previous week (in fact, it was nearly shutout.)

Still, I did find some some fresh turns in some gullies and through some low brush off of the lower Paradise lift and in Cobabe Canyon. Cobabe Canyon is an interesting section of the mountain. It is one more reliable sections for finding fresh snow, but it has the drawback of limited vertical, some funky sun exposure, plenty of low angle terrain, some traversing/hiking and a poma ride to get to it, and a very long traverse to get out of it. You have to choose your lines carefully. I scouted well, so my run down was worth it. (Low angle terrain with deep snow can be fool's gold/quicksand out west. It looks enticing from afar, but you can get hopelessly bogged down.)

Moral for finding fresh snow when there isn't much on the mountain: when most people head right, you head left. When most people head straight down the obvious line, you go one or two lines over. When you see some trees/brush, look past. When there is a cliff band, ski back under it. When all else fails, hike.

With conditions not so great, we didn't opt for the $15 snowcat ride up Lightning Ridge. (I've hit it in the past for some epic turns.) Despite the contrary advice of some locals, we opted to take one ride down Powder Country, primarily to introduce some Pow Mow newbies to the terrain experience. It skied like the "Area Formerly Known as Powder Country", since as promised it was skied off and almost icy at the top. Powder Country is slack country (part of the resort but not well patrolled), where you ski through access gates down to the resort access road. You are then picked up by a school bus which drives you back to the ski lodges. This section of Pow Mow is becoming increasingly more trafficked. In addition to the vibe of skiing down to a school bus, the entrance to Powder Country near the Hidden Lake lodge (one of two entrances), requires that you ski over a snow-covered section of a road to the lodge/condos.

A hidden end-of-the-day gem is the Timberline lift (powered by chipmunk relatives of the West Virginia namesake.) Often there is great corn snow on some slopes with sun exposure, and some fresh snow on north-facing slopes. We were rewarded with some of the best snow of the day on the later.

Ended the day with very cheap burgers and beers at the Shooting Star Saloon in nearby Huntsville. It is an iconic place with probably a fortune of signed dollar bills on the ceiling and eccentric stuffed animal trophies on the wall. For instance, there is a stuffed Saint Bernard and a stuffed deer butt with a squirrel poking out of its backside. PETA fans beware. Service? There is none, go to the bar and order, stupid. Most of us had the signature Star burger; a double burger with a sliced knockwurst on top and prolly some bacon. Better have a check-up before and after you eat there. Supposedly it is the oldest continuously operating saloon in Utah. Some interesting men's room decorations, very anti-Snowbasin.
JimK - DCSki Columnist
February 9, 2010
Member since 01/14/2004 🔗
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John, are you back, or still out there? They are calling for more serious snow here tonight.
JohnL - DCSki Supporter 
February 9, 2010
Member since 01/6/2000 🔗
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See Epic Ski Trip Report for pictures.

Solitude, Sun 1/31

Official start of the Epic Gathering. My favorite ski area in Utah; I've had some beyond epic pow days there in the past. Not as crowded as the more popular Alta, Snowbird and Brighton. Solitude has some of the steepest inbounds terrain in Utah, but it does suffer from a poor traverse to vertical ratio, the need to take several lifts, some sections with funky sun exposure, and some hidden cliff bands. (If you don't ski through a gate, you won't encounter any of the above except the lift issue.) They've re-jiggered the location of the Powerhorn lift this season; it now starts at mid-mountain instead of near the village base. Front side skis a bit differently. I'm guessing they want to make the lower mountain more of a ski school area. Warning: to get from the high-speed Eagle Express quad to the bottom of the Powderhorn lift may require that you negotiate some slots through cliff bands (lone exception to the cliff rule.) We lost a bear or two on the second run of the day, but the visibility wasn't that great at the time.

Sunday was a mini-powder day; officially 6 inches? but it skied waaaaaaaaay deeper than that. High energy powder day early in the trip. Warmed up the previous day, legs were fresh. Plenty of pow puffs to jump or turn off.

There are tons of great lines at Solitude (which I can't share over the Internets.) Some hidden easy front side trees, some traverses to pow stashes, and hidden steep lines. The obvious stuff skis pretty darn well. Two signature places are Headwall Forest and Honeycomb Canyon, both off the Summit Chair. Headwall Forest is a nice mixture of trees, gullies and some steeps at the very bottom. Coverage was a lot worse than I've ever skied; I hit some rocks/stumps in the open lines. It skis relatively easy on a powder day, but the bottom steeps are pretty challenging otherwise. Honeycomb Canyon requires a hike or traverse from the Summit Chair. It provides wide open lines or relatively open trees. Sun exposure can be an issue for the skier's right section of Honeycomb. There is a relatively long traverse out of the canyon to the Honeycomb Return lift.

There are some excellent (though not a lot of vert) blues and blacks served by the frontside lifts. It also has very nice beginner's terrain (per some instructors I skied with.)

Solitude has some quirks, but if you are quirky, you'll love it.
JohnL - DCSki Supporter 
February 9, 2010
Member since 01/6/2000 🔗
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See Epic Ski Trip Report for pictures.

Snowbird, Mon 2/1, Tues 2/2

Nothing subtle about Snowbird. In-your-face seemingly endless steeps and the wide-open intermediate-accessible (with often poor snow conditions) Mineral Basin. Years ago, the first time I drove up to Snowbird, people in the car got quiet. All conversations stopped. It can be a pretty intimidating mountain from the road (or even more so when on your skis or boards.)

In the Alta versus Snowbird wars, I used to be an Alta-holic. I'm now leaning towards The Bird.

Monday was a blue bird surprise powder day. It apparently snowed more than expected that night, because we hit plenty of knee deep pow. On 40+ degree steeps. Sweeeet!

Highlight of the day (and trip) was skiing Monday AM with Bill Kerig. Bill is the writer/director of The Edge of Never, a book and film about the son of extreme skier Trevor Peterson, Kye, being instructed by Glen Plake and some legendary Chamonix guides on how to ski the run on which his father died. Powerful stuff. We also had a screening and book/DVD signing later that night at the Cliff Lodge.

Bill is obviously a great skier (he was on the pro mogul tour and in some ski movies), but an even greater guy. Turns out he graduated from St. Michael's college in Vermont the same year I graduated from nearby Middlebury College (he was a Feb frosh at Midd but was having too good a time at St. Mike's) and he was/still is a hockey player. We have a lot in common, except that he is a much better skier, hockey player, more famous, better looking, and has a better family life.

We hit several of the legendary Snowbird runs off the tram. We warmed up with a single black(?) off the side of Chip's Run traverse. Steep, deep snow. We hit some gullies near the bottom; first rule of skiing with a group on a pow day: go first. I'm not bashful on the slopes. cool Two of us who didn't get lost during the course of the run were instructed to ignore the cliff area sign at the bottom of Blackjack; it's just to scare off tourists. Turns out, Bill was right. (As a rule of thumb, I'd advise against ignoring all cliff area signs.) We all met back at the tram base (default meeting location.) Skied a couple of runs starting with uber steeps underneath the tram. A couple of tricky traverses and turns above some areas I wouldn't want to accidentally slide down. Knees get a little wobbly and turns get a bit sloppy under that situation. Both runs ended up in wide-open, no worries steeps. Unless you fell and had to hike 200 feet back up to your skis.

On the next tram ride up, we noticed the gates to the High Baldy traverse were dropped. A steady procession of ants with skis on their backs were making their way up to the queen bee. We were soon in that procession. Hike starts out at close to 11,000 feet and at a *leisurely* pace, takes about 10 minutes if you are reasonably fit. I live at prolly 30 feet, but I was third to the top. If you view the Epic thread, others (not in our group) weren't as lucky as we were on the way down. Pays to have a guide in terrain like that. (Skied it two years ago led by BWPA and Bob Peters.) By process of elimination, I was elected one of the two sweeper backs. There is some serious semi-patrolled terrain up there, so you should know what you're doing and have some steeps/cliff band experience. Some of the turns on the run down were classic; knee-deep hard-charging turns down 40+ degree steeps.

A few more runs with Bill, and we were all exhausted and ready for lunch. He, in contrast, was ready to start skiing hard.

Took some newbies to Mineral Basin in the afternoon. Mineral Basin is probably the most well-known area of Snowbird for tourists. It is primarily intermediate to easy advanced wide-open terrain. (It does have some steeps - The Bookends - and some high traverses which generally open up later.) If you hit it early on a pow day, you are in luck and will be treated to some great postcard-worthy turns. After that, frankly, it sucks. It has southern exposure (worse than that at Whitetail) so the snow degrades quickly and is served by two high speed quads, so it gets skied off quickly. Mineral Basin absorbs the crowds, so it has its benefits.

The Road to Provo off the Little Cloud lift is another accessible wide-open bowl that is often opened a bit later. If you time it right, you're in luck. It becomes quickly degraded, often by traverses across the slope. See the Epic thread on that one. The ski area equivalent of Beltway yahoos driving 50 mph in the left hand lane while talking on their cell phones. Clueless and in their own world.

Just a note about the Bird; the top of the mountain can be heinous on a low visibility day. This includes the tram, Little Cloud lift, and top of Mineral Basin. No trees, some rocky traverses, and some areas you wouldn't to accidentally fall into. Best to stay low on those days (to keep out of the way of those willing to take more of a risk. wink )

Tuesday: one day after a powder day. Hit 4 runs of knee deep powder for at least 1000 feet, plus plenty of other runs with great snow Secret: hit the trees. Advice: be experienced in the trees and know the mountain. Some terrain opens a bit later than others.
JohnL - DCSki Supporter 
February 9, 2010
Member since 01/6/2000 🔗
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John, are you back, or still out there? They are calling for more serious snow here tonight.


Still in Utah. Cancelled flight got cancelled. Out sick today, drinking beer and posting on the Internets.

I'll strangle K-Will when I someday get back to DC. But I did get some serious tree runs in January when he was teaching lessons. wink
Denis
February 9, 2010
Member since 07/12/2004 🔗
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John and everybody,

Be careful out there. I am hearing from western friends that UT and much of the mid continent has extreme avalanche danger this season.
http://list.uvm.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1002B&L=SKIVT-L&D=1&T=0&O=D&P=29291

and

http://list.uvm.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1002B&L=SKIVT-L&D=1&T=0&O=D&P=32343
JimK - DCSki Columnist
February 10, 2010
Member since 01/14/2004 🔗
3,013 posts
Originally Posted By: JohnL
See Epic Ski Trip Report for pictures.

Snowbird, Mon 2/1, Tues 2/2
Years ago, the first time I drove up to Snowbird, people in the car got quiet. All conversations stopped. It can be a pretty intimidating mountain from the road (or even more so when on your skis or boards.).


Great reports John. I got chills down my spine reading the above. It's true.
I know you're not much of a picture taker (you're a ski model instead), but you gotta get a helmet cam so we can see some of these places you're going.

I wonder if any of those trails could be found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ4pgcrJU8c
JohnL - DCSki Supporter 
February 10, 2010
Member since 01/6/2000 🔗
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I know you're not much of a picture taker


I used to be a big picture taker. I've probably taken at least 20 pictures at each of the Utah areas, plus I've skied every SLC Utah area at least a half-dozen times (several a looot more.) The newness has worn off (but not the powder fever.) The Epic crew takes picture right and left, so plenty of photos of fellow skiers to go around.

I was seriously considering buying a helmet cam, but this forced extra week (with little additional skiing) has put a definite crimp in my budget.

Ski and Tell

Snowcat got your tongue?

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