Apparently with the economy going South, police departments are acting as opportune tax collectors. Here's my most recent pinpointing of traps:

Moorefield: If you take Route 55 from DC all the way into Moorefield, Local Moorefield Police is camped out at the access road between the end of 55 and Route 210/28 (40 MPH). My Escort pinpointed K Band. They had their lights off at the hard right bend on the access road. Radar is monitoring both into and out of Moorefield.

Moorefield: State Police on an SUV invariably at a parking lot on the 25MPH zone past the old Aromas Coffee House and the Hardees. KA-Band Radar, much more accurate but less range. My detector went off way early too. Last week, they were accruing massive victims, including 3-4 cars in a row.

Petersburg: Local Police at the Citizens Bank parking lot before the light (25MPH). K Band.

Green Bank: State Police with KA-Band either at the Big Springs Clinic parking lot or at the Citizens Bank parking lot. One of my friends got a ticket at Green Bank last week.

Once is happstance, twice is a chance, thrice is a trend and four times is a practice. In every case, my detector gave plenty of warning. In the rain, KA Band suffers considerable degradation but don't take the chance.

I'm sure they would prefer to see you drive at a safe speed than give you a ticket.

I'm sure they would prefer people drive at a safe speed AND STILL give them a ticket.

Thanks for sharing the information on the speed traps.

What do you get if you DON'T break the law?

Yes, I've seen every one of those...I have no radar to aid me in breaking the law...and I don't worry about them either.

Taxes

The speed limits are determined by people who know a lot more than you do. Obey traffic laws, your life may depend on it. If you think you know better than the officials who decide on speed limits, you are a fool and a danger to yourself and others. WAKE UP BEFORE YOU KILL SOMEONE!

Quit being so naive you goody 2 shoes.

We the People say that a safe speed as long as there are dry roads is at least 10 miles over any posted speed limit

The Goverment plays the "Good Guy" while hiding behind the mask of a highway robber!..Good for you for fighting the ridiculous Ibotta.

fishnski: what if one of your children ran out in the street in a town when someone per your advice was driving 10mph OVER the speed limit using one of lbotts'a radars. But then...I wouldn't wish that death on anyone. But then...that's just me, not you.

Those saying speed limits are handed down from on high are completely missing that by definition, they are lowest common denominator. If the UPS truck can navigate that curve safely at 30mph, you can be damn well sure a mini cooper can take it faster. Should you try to fly around tires squealing at 60? Of course not. Is your life going to end in a giant fireball if you take it at 35? Again, no.

Exercise some judgement. Evaluate the conditions at hand. In bad weather, even the speed limit might be too fast. In good weather, with good visibility, it's almost always overly conservative.

If all they were worried about was someone slowing down why do they hide the cruiser? Park it out in full view with the lights flashing? It's about the money.

A Mini Cooper can round that curve faster than thinking, but when it runs over a kid crossing the street, the driver feels bad. Not guilty, just bad. Accidents happen, hey, it's just one of those things.

Shame on you, lbotta, and those following you, so like typical drivers. Least common denominator, indeed! You are it, curlh.

Rod I take your derision as a badge of honor. You don't have to be disingenuous to realize that in modern times, police are used as tax collectors. Before my period in my current residence, I was a senior member of the Financial Board in one of the Virginia counties. And yes, traffic tickets were a variable in the budget, and many, many times, enforcement was dictated from top as a way to generate revenues. That's reality. If you don't believe that, you've spent most of your life in one of those red-painted phone booths in England.

I generally - repeat generally, drive at the speed limit, and any accusation to the contrary is spurious. I have my radar detector not because I want to be cavalier about the way I drive. If anything, I'm overtly conservative about driving. However, I want to see everything around me and that includes the presence of police. We have way too much of Big Brother out there. There are more bad cops around than you can count. Wardensville, for example, has a horrible history in this department. Go through the threads and you'll see just how many people avoid Wardensville because of its previous reputation as the traffic unfairness capital of the Mid Atlantic.

In the case of Moorefield, same as it used to be in Wardensville, police are parked literally next to a steep incline. In Wardensville it was on the Northern downhill on Rte 55. In Moorefield it is overlooking the Southern hump on the Hester Bridge. Even the late Mother Theresa on a wheel chair would exceed the speed limit on those gradients. What they're banking on, is that folks can get tickets and then not spend the time money with lawyers and court dates to challenge them. More dishonest money in their treasuries. Phoey.

Same as one of the nice folks here stated, if these police departments and their duly constituted political authorities really, really, really wanted to slow down traffic on these roads, they would park cruisers with lights on and radar fully operative. That would indeed get everyone to slow down, period. So the hiding in a parking lot is, IMHO, an intellectually and law enforcement-wise disreputable way to get people to speed up so they can collect revenue for their political subdivisions. In addition, it allows police to have probable cause to target teen agers of whomever they wish to exercise their will in unrelated matters. The case in another jurisdiction where police used probable cause practices to search vehicles and confiscate cash from citizens at will, is a reality.

You gave me even more of a reason to announce the next time I spot a speed trap. It is legal, it is within my rights, and everyone should know where the speed traps are. By the way, Garmin has a POI collection of speed traps available to any Garmin GPS owner who asks for them. I just posted these traps for the whole nation to be aware. And since 2005, AAA has a map of nation-wide speed traps. Plus, if you go to www.speedtrap.com, you can see a national speed trap database that gets over 100,000 hits a month. And to top it off, if you have a Blackberry or an iPhone, you can download Trapster. If you see a speed trap you can punch a button that records it for the world to see. That includes little old ladies and who knows, maybe the Spirit of Mother Theresa. Plain and simple.

Since all IPhones are equipped with an accelerometer, I really am surprised that someone hasn't already invented an app that logs car speed. Since I don't own an IPhone, I haven't investigated whether such an app exists. Then all one would have to do is present the data to the officer showing beyond a doubt that the vehicle didn't exceed the speed limit. My bet is that you still get a ticket. Jimmy is dead nuts on. It is all about the money. These tickets allow these small towns pay for the state police flunkies and the Barney Fifes of the world. My only moving violation in 30 years of driving was a right turn on red in the bustling metropolis of Thurmont, Maryland (a town that has a proud historical tradition of being the domicile of a grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, no less).

Hockey, note my posting above. Trapster's new version, which I just downloaded, does all. It shows the traps. It allows you to enter new ones for the entire world to see. And to make some of the folks' point mute, many, many police departments DO enter their locations to get people to slow down (That's the honest thing to do).

Trapster will allow you to see and input al; live police, often hiding places, mobile speed cameras, combo cameras, red light cameras, plain speed cameras and checkpoints. It has a color combination from low confidence to high. Good way also to see the road hazards, including children at play, accidents, fires, etc. Traps also expire to make the system trustworthy. And your family can see your progress on any computer as well as you being able to see them.

I find it ironic that a guy who goes ballistic about skiers going into unpatrolled sidecountry is challenging traffic cops. What is the upside of going through, say Wardensville, at 10 mph over the posted limit? Saving 3 minutes or so on your drive. Is that worth it? The last speeding ticket I got was on the road to/from whitetail about 8 years ago. The cop asked me how I would feel if I lived on that road and had little kids and people were going thru at 53 mph (my speed on his radar)? I told him he had a very valid point and promised to never do it again as I accepted my ticket. Ever since I have used my cruise control to obey the limits. It's not that hard and costs very little time. I realize the limits are set too low and know the reason why, but obeying them is just the right thing to do.

Sorry for the double post.

Read my previous post. Actually, you've got me beat. I've never got a ticket. Ever. So your point is, again, spurious. Having a detector, except in DC or the Commonwealth, is my choosing. And it is quite legal to know where the police are lurking or hiding.

As far as back country, yes, I go ballistic about it because you and I pay for the rescue of people who choose to go out in unpatrolled terrain. And if you say that's just like a speeder, no go. If you speed and hurt someone, you will pay, and if you were violating the law, your insurance company can deny coverage and you'll be liable to the last penny. If you cause an avalanche in back country or get lost, we ALL get to pay for your search and rescue at no cost to you. That's the difference. I'd be amenable for you to be able to go backcountry IF you were liable for every penny of search and rescue. Since we last crossed the issue on this forum, British Columbia made this the law. Arizona made this a law. Colorado is considering it. So as far as I'm concerned, in these jurisdictions, go for it.

Lou - you need a correction, it's www.speedtrap.ORG.

Also is everyone picking on my hometown of Wardensville again?

Gee, Brad...wonder who gave it a bad rap when it comes to issuing traffic tickets (aka speed traps).
The Colonel

Not wanting to kidnap this thread but I'd gladly take that deal if it were offered. I like the French model; when you buy a lift ticket you also buy rescue insurance if you wish. If not you pay for any rescue. In our litigious society we will never see widespread application of that sensible policy. Instead we have places like northern VT, which I love, where it is understood that good skiers will leave the bounds of the trail map and take responsibility for themselves. I have done it many times, sometimes I am shown the goods by patrollers. One of my VT friends broke a femur alone in the backcountry and crawled out 4 miles. He did not ask for anything or file any suit and made a full recovery. The amount of money off piste skiing costs you, or us at large, is surely small. I would bet that summer hiker S&R exceeds it considerably.

Post of the century! Denis, I'll buy you the beer of your choice the next time I see you. I'll even share some more Utah powder stashes.

To toss some more gasoline on the fire, WV speed traps = DC parking tickets for local revenue. But of course, a proper DC resident would never drive a car in DC. And those who do, deserve to be charged.



Donner Party. DC Ski is eating our own. I'd better shut up before I rag on David, LHC, Jimmy or K-Will...

At this rate, I'll end up like Crush. Or Andy, before he became Mr. Fish.

It's so hard to have an actual debate when one side won't even read an argument before screaming "Won't someone think of the children!!?!?!" And you could at least spell my name right. It's only 5 letters. But enough with the ad hominem.

The whole thrust of my post was that drivers should be surveying conditions and using their judgement. They're actually there. The guy who decided what sign to put up is long gone. Speeding around a blind curve in a residential area would be a poor judgement. Speeding in fog would be a poor judgement. Since in your world, every road is nothing but blind residential corners, you should probably just stick with first gear. The world I live in has plenty of stretches of road with good visibility both down the road and to the sides where exceeding an unreasonably low speed limit by a reasonable amount has no consequence besides a surprise local tax contribution. I realize this debate started with Wardensville, with which I am not familiar and cannot place into one group or the other, but the argument has clearly been extended to the general case where it most certainly does not apply.

In the end, cases where speed limits are set with an interest to revenue, rather than safety, make the problem worse. When they're set unreasonably low, most drivers learn to more or less ignore them. Then when there are stretches of road that really do need a low speed limit because of a real danger to either the driver or others in the area, drivers are already conditioned to ignore them.

curih - common through Wardensville at 28mph! You will get to meet one of the two cops, make a donation to the town government, and meet the employees!

Post of the century! Denis (Quote)

There you have it Folks..1 mans Trash Quote is anothers Treasure.."Post of the Century Quote"..
One of the reasons its called "Unpatrolled sidecountry" is because the Cops aren't out there giving out Tickets...YET

Its a good thing we don't all agree all the time because it sure would be Boring..thats why I like to stir things up here once in a while

"Dcski Donner Party"..Now that there is a Great Quote!..Funny too!

Are there any laws that you all DO abide by????

...gravity...

Long winded post there botta, a little defensive? I never accused you of speeding.

curlh, If you think you know better than the highway engineers who set the speed limits, you are a dangerous driver. That's some stinking thinking, my friend. Thinking it is bad enough, but encouraging others to do the same is reprehensible. Drivers are particularly stupid people who can't think for themselves and act like lemmings. The responsible thing to do is obey the traffic laws and encourage others to do the same.

Last year, my mom's best friend got killed on the GW Parkway, where everybody speeds. She was entering the highway, the other driver didn't have time to stop. I'm sure if he had been doing 40, she would still be alive, but he knew better. Everybody knows better. It's easy to go much faster than 40 on that road. What were they thinking!?

If you need to break some laws to make yourself feel like a badass, go ahead. Don't expect everybody to agree with your stupid rationalizations though.

Misspelled my name again. I know all those little letters look alike.

Are you actually aware that I did not kill your friend? I just want to make sure.

It's entirely possible that there is a stretch of the GW Parkway where more than 40mph is unsafe. If there are blind entrances, it could be. It would also be a very poorly designed road, but that's entirely besides the point of safe driving. I was not there during the anecdote you reference. I don't know whether someone was driving too fast for conditions or whether she improperly merged into traffic at low speed.

I was not, and never had argued that it is always safe to speed. In adverse weather, the posted limit may be too high. On a road that has not been maintained since the signs were posted, the posted limit may be too high. I also do not see how driving 75 on a well maintained interstate with several miles of visibility, 40 feet of clear shoulder on both sides, and light traffic (i.e. no weaving to pass) endangers anyone. Does it reduce your available reaction time slightly? Yes. That's why the high visibility is required, along with proper following distances.

Many posted speed limits are not, and never have been determined by safety concerns. Since you brought up highway engineers, the largest and easiest example to point to was the old interstate speed limits. The roads were designed by those highway engineers (civil engineers) you trust to handle traffice at 75mph and faster. Then during the 70s, the speed limits were all lowered to 55 to reduce oil consumption. Nothing at all related to the safety of drivers.

National Maximum Speed Law

Similarly non safety reasons drive some speed limits elsewhere. This was part of what I decried in my last post. Setting unreasonably low limits conditions drivers to ignore them. There are places, many places, where they are actually needed and then are similarly ignored because there's no way to tell the difference. The area where your friend had her tragic collision may very well be one of them.

I would like to point out that I have now offically posted in this very important thread. ;-)

Hmmmm.... interesting thread. I like the "Donnerization"
reference, JohnL. BTW, in speaking of speed limits, what reason do ya think caused the recent raising on the speed limit from 35 to 45 on the T-line access road? It's been 35 since I can remember and a major speed trap. You don't suppose they bagged the gov and he had something to do with it?

"Donnerization?"

Am I actually eating children now and not just running them down for fun?

Hey tucker Gravity is my bitch

How does owning a raydar dectector and using it to avoid a speed trap tax brake any WV law?

The engineers must be stupid in NC because when you leave VA & enter NC on the Same road (I95) the Speed Limits go from 65 to 70...Might Have something to do with all the Nascar Fans we got down here though

No argument. The trick DC is doing now is shortening yellow lights in intersections where speed/cameras are present. Which means you WILL get a ticket and it will come on snail mail about a month after the alleged offense. You won't remember it but the District will.

The only reason I have a car here is a) to go skiing, and b) for evacuation. Heaven knows the number of people in NOLA who perished waiting for the city to evacuate them. I won't be one of them. My dog and I are on the first cars crossing the Potomac.

When did they drop it to 45?!?! I thought it was 60mph...


Oh if you are actually interested in the relationships between posted, operating and design speeds from an engineering perspecive, here's a delightful link to a paper on the subject.
Have a nice nap!

I'm not too far into it yet, but I'm actually finding the conclusion section of that paper quite interesting.

Some interesting things like this:

"While a relationship between operating speed and posted speed limit can be defined, a relationship of design speed to either operating speed or posted speed cannot be defined with the same level of confidence." -- This is from analysis of the existing roads they looked at, not rules for defining new roads.

Yeah, its probably best to skip ahead to that part.

There is some good info presented. Of course it doesn't take into account speed limits that are artifically lowered by municipalities in the name of safety without any real engineering input.
Those can come from things like knee jerk reactions to high profile incidents.

Some think a lower speed limit will help with safety concerns. Usually people ignore it if they feel the speed is unreasonable. Realignment or redesign of a problem section of road will usually show a much greater reduction in crash occurance and an increase in safety when compared with lower posted speed limits.

Sections of the Autobahn in Germany have the lowest crash rates in the world, with no maximum speed limits. Why? Attentive drivers and well designed roadways.

Sometimes lowered speeds make sense. Rt 32 through Davis for example, its posted 55 mph south to Harman. Right in town it gets narrow and has a ton of entrances to side roads so its lower. There's a much higher probabilty for conflicts with all of the intersections and lower speeds allow more time to sense and react to hazards. The roadway itself is perfectly capable of handling 55 mph traffic but there are lots of other things that keep the speeds lower.

Yep, its entirely possible for the operating speed to EXCEED the design speed of a given section of roadway. Design speeds usually take into account the most difficult roadway feature to navigate. So one nasty curve lowers the design speed of a section of road but one could safely travel in excess of design speed on the rest of the road.

If the posted speed is above design speed you have liablity issues.

Well, they need to *lower* the speed limit at the intersection of Route 32 and Timberline Road. Too many rushed drivers end up trashing fence posts.

Maybe the posts are too close to the roadway and should be moved to improve road user safety by reducing encroachments into the clear zone! I guess its possible they should just slow down though...

already far enough from the road, maybe they could put a timberline realty sign on it..........

Did you hear that Whitetail closed for the season?

..in WV like Wyoming it is legal for the driver to have an open beer while driving as long as they are not over the legal alcohol limit and they are outside of any incorporated towns that might have different laws....just sayin'....

Some years ago I learned the hard way that any speeding over 80 mph in Virginia, regardless of the posted limit, is considered reckless driving. Hence despite the fact that I was on a virtually empty stretch of rural I-66 in good weather, my ticket for doing 81 in a 65 landed me in traffic school. (Pointing out to the officer that such speed was legal in Montana, and hence hardly "reckless," probably didn't help.)

The traffic school instructor, an off duty policeman, told us that in VA, the state police (or whatever they call them) have standing orders as to what degree of speeding to "tolerate" (i.e. not enforce via ticketing). And that those orders are public information, if you're willing to go to Richmond to look. I don't know what the margin is, but I suspect its 5-10 mph over the posted limit, at least on highways and in good weather.

If that isn't evidence for the existence of safe speeds above the posted limits, I don't know what is.

Yeah, I heard that. Looks like its shaping up to be a nice weeekend at T'line though. Despite the miserable rainy conditions last Saturday the bumps on OTW were a blast. Should be the same this week.

....SHAAAAAAME on whitetail...whitetail sucks... ...anybody for some soft bumps, sun and boat drinks at t-slime tomora...

mmmmmmmmaybe thursday

defy the law of

gravity

Ya, that would make it more noticeable, you would think?

The Commonwealth Attorney General sets those and it is generally 7 MPH on highways. They have discretion in the case of the officer not liking you, or if you're a teen ager, or you're between Richmond and Staunton and commit the crime of being DWB or if you look Hispanic. In the Commonwealth, anything over 15 MPH over the limit is considered reckless driving. That's the law.

The farce of speed laws and their enforcement being tied to traffic safety was evident several years ago when the VA Legislature, faced with a deficit, enacted onerous fines that were designed, plain and simple, to extract revenue. If you may remember, they tacked a $1,000 fine for traffic citations only for VA residents.

As I said before, the revenue part of the traffic laws today outweigh any consideration for design, practice, or reason behind speed limits. And in many more communities, lowering the time length for yellow lights just so you will be adjudicated a citation for running a red light is par for the course.

I agree 100% with Lou! I'll have to drink a beer while driving in WV to that!

..should be a rowdy posse on thirstday as well for some fine spring bumps and some sun...

65 from richmond to staunton & then 65 up 81 to Harrisonburg is a tortuous ordeal I have to endure on my long trips to the Valley from SE,NC.

Driving as a courier in DC for many years I filled up a metal outdoor garbage can with Parking Tickets..no lie!..Mayor Marrion Barry's Elite "crack" boot police used to chase me around town when they caught me ripping the Boots off! I was sitting in an alley not obsructing anybody when a meter maid snuck up & put a $50 ticket on my windshield..that pissed me off so much I added a pile more I had in my glove box & lined them across my wipers & turned them on as I passed him on the street...teasing him as tickets flew all over the place...One of the very many ways that I have Broken the Law..yes..a proud Outlaw.

I'll be at Timberline tomorrow for some soft spring bumps, probably arriving about noon. No sense arriving earlier because they'll be a hard freeze tonight.
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php...nit=0&lg=en
Once the sun warms it up, it will be true corn, as Skier219 recently pointed out, not deep wet granular from a week above freezing. Can't make it this weekend.

Any others?

Whatever. People are driving too fast and running red lights. I really don't care how or why traffic laws are enforced. There needs to be a lot more tickets handed out to speeders and red light runners. Speed kills and red light runners do too. I saw a large pedestrian knocked from the sidewalk twenty feet up into the air after a collision in the nearby intersection (12th and Constitution NW) sent a car careening his way. Speed and red light running were factors in this "accident".

I think curlh was the driver, or someone like him.

Nope Rod it was me, didntja see the large pedestrian attempting to defy gravity???? Gravity is MY bitch

Hey my brother in middletown used to live down the street from a family named curl, wonder if they are related to curlh?

I still think the "l" and "i" on your keyboard are backwards.

At this point, won't it just be easier to change your username?

Just ignore RodSmlth.

You don't want to risk a ticket?..BA-WAHHHHHHHHH
This DCSKI Donner Party is too much fun...Luv it when DCSKI gets Discombobulated!!..Now Back to the Jaimie Grose/Rusty Fued...

Yeah fish, this group was PO'd before the season even got started--remember the owl bore thread (sorry Scott). You would think that 250 inches of snow would calm everyone down.

When a reasoned argument is met with an accusation of vehicular manslaughter, there really isn't much other option. Though it is tempting to push it to see whether he's really that intractable or if he's just playing forum troll.

Dennis,
Thanks for the Dry Fork weather reference. I have used Davis and Canaan Heights in the past, but Dry Fork is better.
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php...nit=0&lg=en
The Colonel

Fish,
Va General Assembly passed a bill that will increase the speed limit to 70 on most major highways. Not sure when it will be effective, probably July?
The Colonel

Dennis,
Boo...was looking forward to meeting up with you this weekend.
The Colonel

Sorry. I am heading for VT on Sun. and will be there a couple of weeks. Fri. and Sat. I have promised to my wife. I believe we met although briefly at a Timberline ski day 2 yrs. ago. Enjoy the Luau!

You need to get a hold of yourself before you kill some one. You are not thinking clearly. Your argument stinks.

I68 heading west, goes from 65 to 70 when you leave the Socialist Republic of Maryland and enter Wild & Wonderful West Virginia.

jimmy - Beware, lots of jack booted thugs on I68 today. I saw at least 8 cars/trucks pulled over today.

Didn't take time to read all 7 pages of riveting commentary, but there is an interesting article in the Wall Street Journal today on this topic.

Eyes on the Road: Why 70 Miles Per Hour Is the New 55

Colonel,

For what it is worth, some of the long-time hard cores who work at T-Line swear by: Whitmer, WV

It is not as close, but it apparently it approximates T-Line real well.

What th'hell!! A triple hy-jak of the thread and a Donner party to boot! Dammm good of ya'll to humor us. Gezz, u even got by with an owl bore reference w/o Scott pullin the plug.

That said, I look forward to drinkin a IPA with a lot of you folks on Saturday. I'll probably be in the pub or at a bbq outside the NW "C" building condo (beside the high speed triple) at t-line Saturday PM. With the predicted weather, this should be a party weekend for the ages.

The reason using a point and click forecast for a town in Randolph County is more accurate for Tucker County is because they are in the jurisdiction of NWS Charleston, which is a way better NWS office IMO, than NWS Pittsburgh.

Actually, I think it's 20 over (but the speed limit has to be over 15, or something like that... so, 25 in a 15 isn't, but 40 in a 20 is, I think), or over 80 mph. Also, reckless is a class 1 misdemeanor, and subject to jail time, not just a moving violation.



That was absolutely absurd, and like Lou says, a perfect demonstration of how unrelated to traffic safety most traffic enforcement really is...


aaron

Thanks for that info Colonel!..Made my day thinking about another 15 minutes off my Route ...might explain why I havn't seen any cops in their usual hiding spots the last 2 trips.. could be some court battles they are trying to avoid.I guess they could still give you a ticket but give you a 5 mile break untill the law goes into effect.

Yeh Kwill..i have been waiting for the higher authority to drop down but I'm thinking since It wasn't me that mentioned Owl Bore we are safe..Opps

I drive Rt 33 from H-burg thru Franklin to Harmon. I think after 20 some years, I know every nook and cranny that the blue and gold use for revenue production along that route. I have been "lighted" several times but only had to pay up once and that was for "failure to obey a traffic control device" (stop sign). That was a $15/ticket with $70 in associated costs. Would've talked my way out of that one but when the trooper said that he had more important things to do than to pull over people running stop signs, my wonderful but outspoken spouse replied "well, why don't you go and do them?"
Needless to say, I made sure I made no driving errors while in his jurisdiction while I drove that same vehicle.

I always drop down to 35 when going through Green Bank, but thanks for the heads up Lou -- I was extra careful driving through yesterday, and popped cruise on 35 as soon as I got into town. I wouldn't speed through there on purpose, but it's not uncommon for my speed to vary +/- 5mph through there because of the rolling hills and curves, and I bet +5 would be enough to get me in trouble.

Just came through Wardonsville, Moorefield, Petersburg, Green Bank ... and had no problem holding the exact posted speed limit. Guess some people just can't drive?!? Next week might be IT for Snowshoe. 20% occupancy going down to 8%. I never believed that Easter closing for a minute. In case one might forget - last year they closed abruptly with little notice a week early too.

Funny! (Spouse Thang)..I had a friend years ago that was passed out Drunk in my Front Seat when I stopped at a stop sign in the Outer Banks..the same time a cop stopped who noticed that I was a little too close to the yellow line for him. When He asked me to roll down my window to explain my situation, before I could answer my friend woke up & blurted out "Don Werry Bout Him..His a-bout a Drunk Mo Fo!"..Cop had a laugh & let me go..Good ole Days!

I don't think that I have ever seen a cop with Radar between the GW nat Forest just west of Harrisonburg all the way thru to the valley..I usually pass by the Sheriff station there at a pretty good clip...8 to 9 miles over the speed limit is a safe bet...sorry Buckster..

I`ve come late to this party but I`m with Rod Smith. If you leave your home a few minutes earlier you`ll arrive at your destination at the same time without being a public menace.