Normal....Way up north in canada
-8 °F
-19 °F
Record
1 °F (1998)
-41 °F (2004)
Yesterday
-31 °F
-35 °F
Very cold stuff that has been building up north will be forced south soon...but when?..in time to save Thanksgiving in the Mid Atlantic?..Stay tuned!

Disclosure..I am Short T-giving..but long Winter 2011/2012

the lake-effect machine is crankin' right now tho in canaan. 1/2" of fluff in the past hour. it will be short-lived but a welcome reminder of winter

This little shot has been advertised in the models for a good bit of time..Problem for us Lift junkies is that with another quick shot around the 17th there doesn't seem to be another one till right around T-giving...A day late a dollar short?

Still Short T-giving but going long the rest of the winter (I have become a Stock/Gambling Addict)...good things to come by or soon into December based on The world having a cold Oct with cooling signs in the upper Atmosphere as well as in the oceans. We have an above Ave Snow extent in the northern hemisphere with canada lagging a little but filling in real fast... Like I said before..its building & will soon find a way down...
If not I'll send you all at WG a Postcard from Florida!...Thanks for the Snow report Chaga!


PS..A big Shout out & thanks to all the Vets out there!!!!

The Fairbanks,Alaska International Airport reached a low temperature of
35 below zero at 1114 PM on Tuesday. This sets a new record low
temperature for November 15, breaking the previous record low of
33 below set back in 1969.

Push..Shove...Come on Mamma Nature..Scoot that stuff our way!

Its creeping down for sure Mr B & that Snow cover is the key to sustained cold...Here is what I think it will look like at the start of Dec..
http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/ims_gif/ARCHIVE/USA/2010/ims2010335_usa.gif

Its still early but The man made brains keep hinting at or around the 28th to get things really started...keep the ski's crossed!

PS..Should be a little snow action gong on up in the alpps this morn with this short cold shot I posted about last week...Hor dourves...

NOTICE TO USERS - POSTED NOV 16, 2011:

THIS SITE WILL BE PERMANENTLY SHUT DOWN JANUARY 1, 2012

*********************************************************

Weather data for
Davis 3SE, Tucker County, West Virginia
Summit of Canaan Mountain, Elev: 3715 Ft.



PS+++...Weather station up at Canaan Hts shutting down??!!....bad timing..bad news..He was a great source & will be sorely missed..

Yeah, I saw that, too. What's up wit' dat?
Any locals got the scoop?

31 degrees here in Elkins. It's cold!!

Webcam on Canaan Heights;
http://www.fsvisimages.com/images/photos-large/doso1_large.jpg
Looks like light snow with fog.

This one is not supposed to drop enough for skiing.
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php...nit=0&lg=en

yeah, been getting heavy little intermittent lake-effect bands all day. maybe a little over an inch. don't worry, jonjon has the lesher snow measuring technique dialed in at his place and a little weather station. Only problem he is in the lowlands of Davis

NOTICE TO USERS - POSTED NOV 16, 2011:

THIS SITE WILL BE PERMANENTLY SHUT DOWN JANUARY 1, 201S

PLEASE HOLD THE E-MAILS. I APPRECIATE YOUR INTEREST BUT WHEN I HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD, I'LL POST IT HERE. THANKS. DAVE

So Chaga, whats up with Mr. Lesher? I check his site almost as much as I check DCski's website.

I didn't see the "hold the E-mail" part...& E-mailed him..

We got jonjon in Davis & the Ski stakes up above Whitegrass..That will work...but we owe Mr Lesher a debt of gratitude for his dedicated service...(I bought his book..good stuff by the way)

You go jonjon!!

Its still up there..cold Ain't the word!..Ck it out..

Record cold temperatures continue over the interior...

The first cold weather outbreak of the season continues to bring
record temperatures to the interior of Alaska. Unusually frigid
temperatures for mid-November have been observed across much of
the region. Temperatures colder than 40 below zero were reported
in valleys in the central and northeastern interior again
Saturday.

Several record low temperatures were broken Saturday morning in
the Fairbanks area. This includes radio station kjnp in North Pole
which had 42 below and broke the record set in 1974. Other new
records Saturday morning include Eielson Air Force Base at 40
below ... the Fairbanks Airport with 36 below and uaf West Ridge at
30 below.

Record or near record low temperatures are possible again Sunday
morning. The record low for November 20th at the Fairbanks Airport
is 36 below... 37 below at Eielson Air Force Base... 40 below at kjnp
in North Pole... and 35 below at uaf West Ridge.

Skies will be clear over much of the interior Saturday night and
Sunday. Clouds will be increasing Sunday night and Monday... with
mostly cloudy skies expected over much of the interior by Monday
morning. The increase of clouds will cause temperatures to be
somewhat higher... but still much below normal for this time of
year. The much below temperatures will persist through the
upcoming week.

The average temperature in Fairbanks this week is around 8 above
with an average low of 9 below zero.

The following is a summary of official low temperatures as of 11
am akst Saturday unless otherwise noted.

In the Fairbanks area:
North Pole (kjnp)... ... ... ... ... ... ... .42 below (new record)
Eielson Air Force Base... ... ... ... ... ..40 below (new record)
Fairbanks International Airport... ... ..36 below (new record)
uaf West Ridge... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .30 below (new record)

Outside the Fairbanks area:
Chicken... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ..45 below (new record)
Northway Airport... ... ... ... ... ... ... ..44 below
Eagle... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .43 below (new record)
Fort Yukon... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ..43 below
Manley Hot Springs... ... ... ... ... ... ... 43 below (new record)
Galena... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... 42 below (new record)
Circle Hot Springs... ... ... ... ... ... ... 40 below (new record)
Kobe hill near Nenana... ... ... ... ... ... 39 below (new record)
Kaltag Airport... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .38 below (new record)
Nenana Airport... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .37 below (new record)
Bettles Airport... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... 36 below
Tanana Airport... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .36 below
McGrath Airport... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... 36 below
Gilmore creek... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ..33 below (new record)


lance says:

November 19, 2011 at 11:02 pm


Stupid cold here in southern alberta, -21.5C this morning, and today's high (-14c) didn't even get to our normal low...but its a hot/cold. (GW Barb)

WORD!!!!

Seems so far away....

... Another day of record low temperatures at Fairbanks...

The HIGH yesterday (saturday) of 23 below at the
Fairbanks International Airport broke the record for the lowest
high temperature ever observed on November 19th. The old record
of 22 below was set in 1911.

The low temperature of 36 below also broke the old record low of
33 below set in 1969.

...Especially when you have been surf fishing on Masonboro Island,NC in nothing but a swimming suit...Betterhalfski caught a 26 inch redfish...I caught a 17.5 inch red that was 1/2 inch to short to keep(Species caught...Black Drum,Redfish,Jack crevalle,flounder,bluefish,Skate,Speckled trout,Whiting,puffers....a lot were on the smaller side & threw Back)...The endless Summer

word is, he will still be doing what he does and providing the data via other outlets. just wish the lake-effect machine gets up and running consistently! although if you are a WG tele skier you are benefiting greatly from the warmer temps as the acreage of glade skiing has been increasing exponentially. if you can't ski, making more places to ski pacifies the jones

"If you take the latest long range Forecasts there seems to be a trend to bringing the sustained cold/snow in even later than the late nov thinking That I + Everything I saw & read said.
I Look at all the temps around the world & especially around Alaska/Canada & I am seeing a very good cold source building which I still think will eventually find a way down to us by the end of the month....The conservative thinking would be an opening fri the 9th of dec & maybe the next weekend for real skiing" (snowshoe weather thread..mid month)

Well Chaga it looks like all of you alls good work will finally pay off starting tue nite..Winter is on!---Bout time & looks to stay awhile this time--


http://images.quickblogcast.com/0/4/8/0/3/139967-130840/GFS2151.png?a=2


Hope everyone has a great & safe Ski season!

Fred's exact words on Timberline's Facebook page:

"Plans for opening day on December 8--our 26th season--are still firm."

I couldn't find that Fred qoute on the facebook page? I would bet that it will be a Sat 10th opening w/ bunny and Mid Station MAYBE for the weekend and then close down for the following week....only VERY limited opening on the 10th weekend for bunk house boy scouts. I just don't see any snow makin' weather in the forecast.

I think somewhere along the line another group was created.


https://www.facebook.com/pages/Timberline-Four-Seasons-Resort-Official-Page-WV/162195150518076

[quote=Tucker I would bet that it will be a Sat 10th opening w/ bunny and Mid Station MAYBE for the weekend and then close down for the following week....only VERY limited opening on the 10th weekend for bunk house boy scouts. I just don't see any snow makin' weather in the forecast. [/quote]

Tonight: Rain and snow showers, becoming all snow after 10pm. Low around 26. Southwest wind between 5 and 9 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches possible.

Wednesday: A chance of snow showers. Cloudy, with a high near 34. Breezy, with a west wind between 14 and 20 mph. Chance of precipitation is 50%. New snow accumulation of less than one inch possible.

Wednesday Night: A chance of snow showers, mainly before 9pm. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 20. Northwest wind between 9 and 18 mph. Chance of precipitation is 30%.

Thursday: Sunny, with a high near 42. North wind between 3 and 8 mph.

Thursday Night: Mostly clear, with a low around 24.

Friday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 41.

Friday Night: Mostly cloudy, with a low around 22.

Saturday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 41.

Saturday Night: Mostly cloudy, with a low around 28.

Sunday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 43.

Sunday Night: A chance of rain and snow showers. Cloudy, with a low around 36. Chance of precipitation is 30%.

Monday: A chance of showers. Cloudy, with a high near 47. Chance of precipitation is 40%.

If you went further into the future than this NWS F-cast..later on mon would show a nice cold/snow shot coming in...you know better than most of us what they can do with that F-cast Tucker but there seems to be some potential...

That is the forecast I was looking at to....nothing to get excited about for snowmaking conditions for sure. IF those numbers hold true and snowmax is used they could do a little something, but that is not good snowmaking weather as far as temps go, for t-line atleast. I don't know what the humidity will be, but humidity is a considerable factor as well, especially at those marginal temps. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't even make snow this week...but I could just as easily be wrong.

Thanks David, that's interesting and kinda of weird that timberline has a couple facebook pages....maybe I should make my own T-line facebook site, I wonder what that site would look like?

Looks like Winter begins on ~Dec 6th or so. I agree with Tucker, given the forecast, I kinda doubt T-Line will have a trail open from the top on Dec 10/11th weekend. But they may surprise me...

The B-Day celebration @ Wisp or Seven Springs may be the best bet for snow/open terrain the 10/11th.

Yesterday I had 71 on my backyard thermometer. Last night I watched a football game in New Orleans and the announcer said it was in the 40s. Crazy!

PS I don't know where you guys get your snow predictions. I have found NOAA/NWS to be most accurate,
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php...nit=0&lg=en

Once we get within the 7 day NWS range I switch over to the NWS sites..Your site you posted Denis is with the Pittsburg Ofc which puts Canaan on the Very southern point of their F-cast area. I also Ck out the Charleston ofc which puts canaan on their northern range & then I also ck out the Dc ofc..& that would put Canaan on the western fring for them..Triangulate!....just like the radar.
7 to 15 days out I Ck out the longer range European & the american DGEX & Gfs models + all my favorite pros on the blog sites.

I don't know about TL but a place like SS will take advantage of the conditions coming up starting off with the up to 4 inches of natural tonite into wed + Early next week should be sweet.
There could be a nite where it is 34 at top but 25 at the bottom & they will be blowing there. That is one of the reasons that I felt MPC with a 2000' vert in WV with all the inversions we get would be a perfect place for an agressive snowmaking team. It can be very cold on the bottom half of that mountain even when the warmer winds are blowing up top.

Its been snowing down here in the Carolina Mtns & I just talked to my uncle bill with a house up at 1800' in Mountain city, TN & he says he is pulling his Sled out!
...off to Ck out the latest model run

PS..for 3 days now the models have told me that it would be cold enough for snow at or around 7 pm tonite in the Northern WV Mtns but all the F-casts say that the turnover to Snow will be about 10 pm tonite...It is 33 degrees up at Snowshoe as of 545 pm..Jus sayin..

I am no expert in this but here's what I've found.

I used to enter Davis in the location box at the top of the page and got this.

Davis at 3201 ft,
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php...Field2=-79.4665

I didn't want a valley biased forecast so I started clicking around on the little map and discovered this.

Weiss Knob at 3624 ft,
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php...nit=0&lg=en

Just now I clicked some more and found this for
Mt. Porte Crayon at 4572 ft.
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php...p;FcstType=text

Notice that the details of the forecast are slightly different for all 3 links and that account for colder and snowier at higher elevation seems to have been made. The lattitude and longitude given are also different. Under the current conditions bar the same airport data appear on all 3 pages; that part doesn't change.

So, somebody in some office is putting a finer grid on their forecast to tailor it for the specific lattitude and longitude that I clicked on. That's as much as I've been able to figure out from the pages themselves.

Think I'll add the Mt. Porte Crayon location to my bookmarks.

The ground is now White up at SS..Forget about the NWS F-cast of 11pm (just read the latest F-cast) tonite before the snow starts.

Yeh.. I have used the MPC (Charleston Ofc) one you just found for awhile now (Of course!)Here is the DC Ofc pinpoint I use Denis...I call it the Spruce Knob F-cast...
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php...p;FcstType=text

In front of some other guys condo

I wish we could put a cam up there. Our balcony stares right at Ballhooter Lift. We could watch people fall while unloading all day long.

Looking real good up there now.

Nice find David!!...I was going to suggest the Snowshoe Cam at highcountrycams But those Pics tell the Story!!

43 degrees and beautiful here in NC WV.

the first official canaan snowfall cam



davis might not be seeing snow yet, so jonjon hasn't reported in i guess.

At 9:30pm up in DCL it was 32F and the snow was blowing sideways. Probably around 1" on the grass.

Nice Chaga, with a cardboard toilet paper roll and a digital camera you have managed to outdue some of the local valley resorts by providing a picture of current snowfall conditions on the web....cough, cough, t-line...

CAM SHAM !!
Ground was a little too warm for too much accumulation down low but Snowshoe just cked in with 3 inches as of 6 am...above 4000' of course.

PS..If you could see the other side of that toilet roll Stake it had a hole cut out of it & a piece of foil filled into it...kinda burnt looking..

7:30am settled snow depth after turning colder and windier overnight.



since I seem to have a continuous supply of paper rolls and a surplus of old webcams available from the school system i might go live view all winter

New update on Timberline's Facebook:

"We are re-evaluating our opening date of December 8 with a view to the weather. I will keep you posted. Regards, Fred"


So much for the whole "firm" thing he posted a while back.

don't know why they just don't say they are not going to open...

& then Look..What does that big L mean??..I think you need to tone down your pessimism young man (posted Dec 2nd thread)
http://images.quickblogcast.com/0/4/8/0/3/139967-130840/Euro279.png?a=22

& Voila!...waking up 7AM this morn after posting the above I see a winter Storm watch has been issued for Tucker Co/Garrett co,Md..keep hope alive!

hope that billy is up & running by tomorrow aft...
I can't believe I beat you 2 the punch Tucker..Urr slacking!

OK chaga you have set the bar...now I am expecting some updated steamroller snow gauge cam pics...