I am getting very tired of waiting for Liberty, Whitetail, and Roundtop to open up. I just figured I would create a hub for people to vent their frustrations. I see Whitetail was blowing snow since midnight last night. Liberty and Roundtop didn't as I am sure the temp differential was too much. At least I hope that was the case. Next week looks horrible for snow making again guys. I guess I need to just fly out somewhere to ski this season as I think we are screwed. Sorry to be so negative, but Mother nature is really making me upset. I'm thinking about going out on a whaling fleet just to get back at her. Maybe club a few baby seals while I'm at it. Fish net some dolphin. lol.

I'm with you on being frustrated with the season so far. However, if you are willing to drive a bit farther than the Sno-Time resorts, Wisp, Timberline, and Blue Knob are all open. None of them have a lot of terrain open yet, but it looks like Wisp will have a decent amount by next weekend and they do have an advanced run open now.

I'll be going to Wisp tomorrow myself. Even though it is a long drive for limited terrain, the lift tickets are cheap due to their birthday event and some terrain is better than none at all.

I was at Liberty today and they lost much of the snow the last 2 days that they made earlier in the week.

This happens about once every 5 years.

The 06/07 winter started this way; then in WVa it snowed and snowed and snowed some more in Jan. and Feb.

NAO, PNA and La Nina Are Just Ruining Our Winter

Dec 12, 2011; 9:36 AM ET

Discussion

Videos will resume on Wednesday when I am back in the office. In the meantime, the weather pattern, while stormy, is not the one snow lovers in the eastern part of the country want to see prior to Christmas.

Here is why....

La Nina - Remains weak, so pattern remains typical of a La Nina with the cold weather in the West and northern Plains and the warmth across the East. The storm track has been from the southwest to the western Great Lakes.

NAO - North Atlantic Oscillation remains positive, so no blocking and therefore no East Coast storms for major snowstorms. When the NAO goes negative, watch out.

PNA - Pacific/North America Pattern remains neutral and now looks like it will go negative. What does that mean....trough and cold in the West and warmth/ridge in the East -- this is not good for snowstorms in the East, but Western ski resorts will be rejoicing!

I really don't see much in the way of changes to the current pattern. While we will see storms, especially this week, the snow problems will be limited to areas where the cold can hold its ground long enough to allow for some snow. I do think the western Great Lakes and northern Plains have the best chance of snow prior to Christmas.

I know a lot of you been looking at the storm around Christmas. Again, until we can get any of these indices to change, I would not get all that excited for major snowstorms in the eastern part of the country. It surely is a big change from the past two years.

What sucks for us in the east is good for the west..we will have our day..hopefully sooner than later...keep watching for the NAO to go neg..
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/pna/nao.fcst.gif
Doesn't seem to be too big of a deal if you were up at any of the areas from SS thru Canaan & up to 7springs...Snowy & Cold today but what about x-mas?..Could be a rain to snow event(late x-mas/mon morn) for the high Country (GFS Model)Euro model brings cold in earlier..not too exciting before then.

Thanks Fish. I took the new skis out to Wisp today with Gtop and his kids. We had a great time, as making turns till it burns on any trail is good enough for us right now. Thanks for breaking this down for us as I hadn't heard any real explanation from the meteorologists on TWC or my local stations. Needless to say, one real run today at Wisp but well worth the trip to get some time on planks in. I really hope the NAO goes negative soon or I'm gonna need a Zoloft prescription to battle my shred depression.

I was up at Wisp Sunday. It was crowded, only two ways down and Squirrel Cage was all bumped up, but I still had fun. It was good to be on skis again.

Unfortunately, it doesn't look like the weather will cooperate for anything closer than Wisp to open by Christmas and perhaps even by the beginning of the new year.

I think Bryce Mountain is open.

the problem here is really twofold. 1 is obviously the weather is not helpful. 2. the current management regime at Roundtop has adopted a 'open with everything' policy that is shortsighted and ignores the customer. That may be fine for Hunter Mt where it's colder, but at Roundtop, it only works for good winters. Having seen firsthand, they could be open by now with Fife and Drum and Fanny Hill and a small park. That's what they used to do and it worked fine. Another HUGE problem is that Roundtop (and all of Snowtime) love to close in early March regardless of conditions. As a result, at most, we can expect about 2 months of riding this year.

.. lovely - CPC jan-feb-mar 0.5 month lead

Sounds like we should start calling this as a rock ski season.

61 degrees and rain here in NC WV.

This sucks.

And it better start snowing in Tahoe or jimmy and JohnL are going to have a long week with me.

Yeh, I ..err.. passed on Tahoehoe. Vt still looks good.

Looks promising

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php...p;FcstType=text

Well. It's Christmas and no sign of any snow or cold weather for more than 2 weeks. Heck, we can't even get more than 2 nights of snowmaking. I give up. I just heard on the news that this was the mildest December on record. WTF? Why now? Bad economy, lack of jobs, high gas prices! Can a brother get a f$$$ing break? Seriously, I'm losing my mind here. I just need to make some turns so that I can break up the monotony of my everyday job. Unfortunately I can't jet set across the country on a whim just to ski. So I'm stuck 90% of the time with snotime resorts. Unfortunately they blow snow worse than Massanuten and Bryce. Is anyone here in disagreement that Snotime resorts blew it by not opening with a least a few trails for the die hard season pass holders?

Explain this innovative technology that makes snow above freezing! And maintains it during warm days and nights. 'Tis a shame. Or perhaps it elevates the whole resort a thousand feet to leverage cooler temps? Agreed, we should be skiing.

(somewhat kidding - I do feel your pain. It sucks.) ;-)

Stinks indeed. Here at my daughter's in northern VT it was 5 deg. on Xmas Eve with the merest dusting of snow. Stowe is open with ~ 5 WRODs @ $90. No skiing for me on this trip. Only a half dozen of VT's 30+ ski areas are open. This follows months of heroic effort to recover from Hurricane Irene's devastation, in time for ski season. It needs to snow seriously - soon.

crap ... sucks to be out west over the next 14 days ...

CPC 8-14 day

I did see smuggs reporting 3 inches on their side of mountain. I am thinking of doing tline this week just so I can get out, at least I can stop at my parents. My wife is starting on a honey do list, this has got to end soon or I will have to take up golfing!

What I meant was that Snotime resorts should focus all snowmaking operations on a few trails. I know they can't make snow above freezing, well sort of. They can with low humidity and wind chill factors. Nevertheless on Christmas Eve Whitetail reported blowing on 10 trails. Why when you can move portable guns in from other trails and lay down a mother load of base on a few trails. Then open and get some people on planks again. It is a sad state of affairs when Bryce opens before a Snotime resort. they $hit the bed early and will not recover from their weak planning and forecasting. Maybe they should hire FishNSki as most if his reports are better than what I get from that dipstick Lyin Bob Ryan.

AAMA-PRO Weather Svc..Still waiting for my 1st Customer
Thanks for the plug Jaime G but I'm just a one trick pony...3000' to almost 5000' WV Alpps..My 95.99999% accuracy rate is actually for my F-casts up at Mount porte Crayon...No one can (or tries to) verify

Yeh..I used to get frustrated with the DC weather Folks & used to call them up & badger them into giving us more of a true mountain f-cast instead of the always generic .."there will be flurries in garrett Co"..Gag me with a ski pole..ITS DUMPING IN TUCKER CO..YOU Morons!!..Thats what got me started trying to figure it out on my own!

Watching this latest storm coming in, I wish it would "Storm up"..Consolidate its energy in the right place for a nice little dumpage instead of being bullied & yanked around by a couple of other low pressure areas. Still thinking about 4 inches give or take around Canaan(6 up at MPC ...Hoping for more as usual with maybe a heavier Band of Snow setting up(deformation Band) & on the other end hoping that we don't get caught up in a dry slot too long....tricky Dickie is the name of this storm & watch out for the Wind!!.


PS.. The Euro Model has been Showing a big push of Cold coming in around the 3rd..Cold enough for the lowlands as well..There is always hope that with a big push like that a storm Can form along its edge..& follow up impulses of energy...Lets hope we can Give Mother Nature a big Snow Shower & clean that Stink Away!!!

No problem if you start the whining/crying I'm sure Keith/MemphitBlue will help out, we'll take turns. Better yet I think Tromano and Sheena are bringing a new born, you could hang out with her .

I think we have decided to wait for better conditions then this week. My son would rather hang w/ his grand parents.

I'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed that Tahoe will get some snow by the gathering. If not, I can live as long as they got a decent amount of terrain open with man made snow. Will just have to go back to Tahoe another time to experience it in all its glory.

GFS on board too..Don't be complaining about how cold it is on the lift
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