...Tline is advertising "new", "seriously good" glades at Tline this year on their Facebook page...

Being the New SB supervisor for Tline, you going to take the SB team and students into the new glades

What's the URL for the FB page? The pages I have found searching for "Timberline" don't seem to have much...

wgo, is this a URL???

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Timberline-Four-Seasons-Resort-Official-Page-WV/162195150518076

:)...RLE, you have received some bad intel...but, there are some good folks in place to take care of team and maintain the status quo...I just pound nails...and compulsively destroy pow--in my free time....

Just trying to get you to blow a head gasket onsuch a thought.  With Keith at ODU, don't know how much we will be around.  Hope to see you at some point.  -- Ray

What is a "SB Supervisor" ?

The Colonel

Tucker wrote:

wgo, is this a URL???

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Timberline-Four-Seasons-Resort-Official-Page-WV/162195150518076

 

Yeah that's it. Dunno why I couldn't find that page when I did a search on facebook. Thanks.

Any intel on where these new glades will be?

wgo wrote:

 

Any intel on where these new glades will be?

...I don't know, just read "new glades" on their facebook page...

I know there are many areas within the ski area boundary that are not on the trail map but are skiable with enough snow. I wonder if they have just done a little extra glading in these areas?

Tucker wrote:

...Tline is advertising "new", "seriously good" glades at Tline this year on their Facebook page...

Not only that, coming soon is a new trail called Twister. Look forward to skiing it.

I think we all need some snow, stat.

Next thing you know they will build a NEW slopeside hotel!!!

The Colonel

The Colonel wrote:

What is a "SB Supervisor" ?

The Colonel

Snowboard Supervisor (for lessons)

Looking forward to some first hand reports.

wgo wrote:

Looking forward to some first hand reports.

In the spirit of Timberline, first hand reports for skiing the 12 acres of new glades will be posted in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013.

Rumor has it, they look something like this.

Or dare I say, even like this?

Tucker wrote:

"...glade skiing, open Thursday...Fred"

 ORLY?  Probably gonna need some thin cover signs, eh?

Hey! Who's that guy?

JohnL wrote:

wgo wrote:

Looking forward to some first hand reports.

In the spirit of Timberline, first hand reports for skiing the 12 acres of new glades will be posted in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013.

I think it'll be hard to call any of the glades new.  I mean, last March we skied virtually all the trees on the mountain and thought they were already glades.  

wgo wrote:

Hey! Who's that guy?

They apparently let anyone on the mountain. Zipline, now that may be a different story...

Are you gentlemen implying that there might not be a "NEW" slope side hotel at TL as advertised???  Wait, I think I saw that hotel last year, or was it the year before...!!!?? Or before???

the Colonel

So, if you aren't on Facebook you really to need join up to check in on the trainwreck that is the Timberline page. Always good times. Seriously, join up. Check it out. Find me on there too ;)

Today: "12 new acres of glade skiing, open Thursday...Fred"

           "At least 12. That's a conservative estimate. Fred"

           "The Cherry Bowl is between upper and lower salamander between the drop and off the wall and between white lightning        and the drop. Need between a foot and 18 inches of natural snow so fingers and toes crossed. per Fred Herz"

           "White Out, Woods Hole and, Cross Roads and Timberline open Thurs. Open from the top on Thurs. upper White Lightning. Salamander expected to open by the weekend. Per Fred"

           "Thanks Bobby Snyder Ski school director and some of our alert clients for pointing out the finer points of grammar in the above post. Timberline opens Thursday. As a DISTINCT point, glade skiing is available to our customers when, and only when, (as posted above) there are 12-18 inches of natural snow. FYI Fred"

           "We have a "share" on here that remarks that the glades are not new "according to some locals." Probably better to go according to me and what I say regarding the glades. Message me if you have any further questions about the glades and gladed areas. Glad to answer any questions. fredherz@gmail.com Fred Herz"

I like how the first sentence of the post about the finer points of grammar is completely confusing due to poor grammar.

I will keep fingers and toes crossed for 12-18 inches of natural snow

David wrote:

So, if you aren't on Facebook you really to need join up to check in on the trainwreck that is the Timberline page. Always good times. Seriously, join up. Check it out. Find me on there too ;)

 

Today: "12 new acres of glade skiing, open Thursday...Fred"

           "At least 12. That's a conservative estimate. Fred"

           "The Cherry Bowl is between upper and lower salamander between the drop and off the wall and between white lightning        and the drop. Need between a foot and 18 inches of natural snow so fingers and toes crossed. per Fred Herz"

           "White Out, Woods Hole and, Cross Roads and Timberline open Thurs. Open from the top on Thurs. upper White Lightning. Salamander expected to open by the weekend. Per Fred"

           "Thanks Bobby Snyder Ski school director and some of our alert clients for pointing out the finer points of grammar in the above post. Timberline opens Thursday. As a DISTINCT point, glade skiing is available to our customers when, and only when, (as posted above) there are 12-18 inches of natural snow. FYI Fred"

           "We have a "share" on here that remarks that the glades are not new "according to some locals." Probably better to go according to me and what I say regarding the glades. Message me if you have any further questions about the glades and gladed areas. Glad to answer any questions. fredherz@gmail.com Fred Herz"

 

   

 While this all sounds like Abbott and Costello, that there bolded part really makes me smile. He doesn't even know where Cherry Bowl is. "better to go according to me and what I say regarding the glades" bwaaahahahaha.

How much are season passes for the zipline?

Fred is rather upset now that people have pointed out to him that the Cherry Bowl Glades are not new.  "There is a statue of limitations on what you want to call "new." Good grief.". 

I feel like their image could really be improved if they got someone else to run their social media.  

AndyGene wrote:

I feel like their image could really be improved if they got someone else to run their social media.

 Train wreck just does not do it justice. 

 More like space rockets exploding on acid with a heavy dose of insanity and a severe lack of spell checking.

Maybe we should cut TL some slack.  They have the best glades in Mid-Atlantic, and something for all levels of skiers.  Whether "NEW" or "old now reborn" makes little difference.  Now if they just would do something to improve the uphill experience!

The Colonel

Have any of you who ski the Cherry Bowl seen the statue to which Fred refers?

OMG

Promoting adventuring into advanced, somewhat technical, potentially hazardous terrain like it is a zipline ride is not a good way to market the resort to their "key demographic". This could be the beginning of the end to the best lift served glade skiing in Wv. Hope they don't have to double the patrol staff so they can cover the carnage.

jimmy wrote:

Promoting adventuring into advanced, somewhat technical, potentially hazardous terrain like it is a zipline ride is not a good way to market the resort to their "key demographic". This could be the beginning of the end to the best lift served glade skiing in Wv. Hope they don't have to double the patrol staff so they can cover the carnage.

jimmy wrote:

Promoting adventuring into advanced, somewhat technical, potentially hazardous terrain like it is a zipline ride is not a good way to market the resort to their "key demographic". This could be the beginning of the end to the best lift served glade skiing in Wv. Hope they don't have to double the patrol staff so they can cover the carnage.

Until that same yahoo who complains that The Drop is not smooth enough complains about CB. Fred will try to send a groomer in there.

Without advertising, I find dozens of adults in the tougher trees each year who are in so over their heads, they are too spooked to even make a single turn. I've seen plenty of folks post-holing it down the hill to Sally.

Now throw in the 10-15 yo demographic...

There is some very rough terrain in there with plenty of rocks, roots, deadfall, running water, etc. And paths that suddenly end.

Plus boarder scrapage is gonna be a major problem. It was becoming an big issue last year in some spots. Some of these yahoos need to take lessons from Tucker and Liz.

David wrote:

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Timberline Facebook Post of the Day

Did you know in addition to zip lining and snowmobiling up the slopes you can aslo Ski @ Timberline ?!? Thats pretty crazy.

If the new status of CB and others as "official" glades means that they will be maintained in the offseason, that is a positive. I guess we'll see. Maybe they could organize work parties to augment the volunteer work already being done? They could even offer a free lift ticket in exchange for glading.

Even a perfectly maintained CB is going to have the technical challenges mentioned by others. I think that ultimately TL is going to have to increase ski patrol presence if they want to promote these glades. I think it is great there is interest in skiing interesting terrain and TL should do what it can to promote this in a reasonable way.

NEED A HISTORY LESSON

TL aficianados please help with a history lesson here for the rest of us.  This is purportedly a 1994 TL map from Skimaps.org.  Here is link if the map does not show above.  http://skimap.org/SkiAreas/view/183

So the following questions come to mind:

1.  Why was CB, at least officially, closed (or removed from the map)?

2.  Do you think Fred ever looked at this map to ascertain where CB was?

3.  Presumably, there were Boy Scouts skiing TL in 1994, right?  So while I understand the concerns, is this really a new issue?  I would suppose that mountain management has dealt with CB as a named trail before?

4.  While in CB, have any of you all seen remains of lost Boy Scouts (bones, merit badges, axes, etc.) from the early 90's?  Guess they would be covered in the 12-18 inches of snow.

For the Colonel, picked up a 2013-14 TL Boy Scout brochure at the Emmitsburg Mickey D's T-giving, "New Slopeside Hotel"

Agree on the bashing, but TL makes it easy.

Twenty some years ago when Cherry Bowl was on the trail map, it was apparently a very nice glade with well-spaced mature Cherry trees. It was logged out (with the logging debris left) to pay for repair/replacement of a lift tower on the Silver Queen lift. Once the tree canopy was removed, scrub brush, scrub trees, etc. grew like mad. So unless that scrub is thinned and removed, lines are not skiable. The amount of debris in sections of the steeper glades is 10x more than you find at Whitegrass or in the marked glades such as Pearly Glades. (And Sandy caused a lot of debris, some of it huge fallen trees.)

In the past 10 years or so, a lot more debris removal and clearing has occured, so more lines are skiable and there is much more traffic in the trees. A lot of it is people following tracks into the trees. It starts out flat at the top, but gets as steep as Off The Wall and The Drop. Manyskiers/boarders have trouble with those two trails. Imagine how much more trouble they'd get into when the trail is not groomed (and may start to get cruddy or rotten), may only be 6 feet wide, has stumps, rocks and branches across the surface. If you can do tight fall line turns in a 6-10 foot corridor, do the occasional hop turn, can look ahead 2-3 turns, and have the balance to recover if a ski gets caught a bit in debris, then you have the skills to be in there. How many people have those skills?

Wider skis have lowered the bar for sometime trying out the trees. On the standard ski in the mid 90's, most people had all sorts of trouble when the trails were not groomed, much less poking around tight tree lines.

Boy scouts aren't the main problem in the advanced glades. They seem to cause enough destruction to themselves by straightlining White Lightning or Sallamander. Or in the terrain parks (if you can call them that.)

The lesson I needed--entirely different environment back then.

wgo wrote:

If the new status of CB and others as "official" glades means that they will be maintained in the offseason, that is a positive. I guess we'll see. Maybe they could organize work parties to augment the volunteer work already being done? They could even offer a free lift ticket in exchange for glading.

Even a perfectly maintained CB is going to have the technical challenges mentioned by others. I think that ultimately TL is going to have to increase ski patrol presence if they want to promote these glades. I think it is great there is interest in skiing interesting terrain and TL should do what it can to promote this in a reasonable way.

 

 Yep, it's hard to ignore, especially at Timberline where the trees have never really been off limits. People love to ski in the trees. Watch the little kids on ZippyZee, or the trees in between hiz and herz, great green circle "glades". Pearly Glades is a good step up, if you can make confident short turns on Good Intentions then you might take a shot at the Pearly. I think it is important to emphasize that the degree of difficulty in a "blue" glade is not the same as a blue groomer; Cherry Bowl, Dominion and Spinal Tap are expert terrain and obvious entries should be marked with skull and crossbones. My hope is that people don't get in over their ability, stay safe, have fun, repeat as necessary.

Statue in the Cherry Bowl? The only statue i'm aware of in the general area is at the top of Mt. Porte Crayon. There is a historic artifact from Timberline hanging in a tree in Cherry Bowl though.

I have been skiing TL since it's 2nd year of operation and have skied Cherry Bowl since well before it was either cut or appeared on a map.  Without going into too much detail, or embarrassing management, the cutting of Cherry Bowl had nothing to do with creating a glade ski experience, rather with cutting the wild cherry trees for their commercial value.  They needed to raise money in a hurry.  Something to do with delinquent payment of taxes and resulting penalty fees.  Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.  I love TL for the benign (trying to put things in a good light here) neglect of management.  Over the years skiers have stepped into the vacuum.

Denis wrote:

 the cutting of Cherry Bowl had nothing to do with creating a glade ski experience, rather with cutting the wild cherry trees for their commercial value.  They needed to raise money in a hurry.  Something to do with delinquent payment of taxes and resulting penalty fees.  Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

 This is entirely correct, as a matter of fact in the past land was traded plus snow property assets(groomers/sleds) were seized by IRS and sold to pay delinquent taxes.  Also more than once TLine employees paychecks have bounced.

I would hope for good things at Tline but the way it has been run from the gitgo makes me shake my head but then as a long time fed govamint employee I have seen the face of real stupid.

I am begininng to feel a bit sorry for Fred and Crew.  I have probably spent a half hour watching the webcam and I've seen one skiier.  No wonder they had a snowmobile race.  No one is skiing.  I suppose this will probably change this weekend.

AndyGene wrote:

I am begininng to feel a bit sorry for Fred and Crew.  I have probably spent a half hour watching the webcam and I've seen one skiier.  No wonder they had a snowmobile race.  No one is skiing.  I suppose this will probably change this weekend.

There will be a lot of people on the slopes tomorrow.

I don't know how many snowmobilers they got last Saturday.