2021/2022 - Skiing the Laurels - 7S, LM, HV & BK
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snowsmith - DCSki Supporter
one month ago
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Start of the ski season is only a little over a month away. Some interesting news from the resorts:

Seven Springs - the replacement of the Avalanche lift with a new quad is nearly complete.

Laurel Mountain - new GM, Amanda Barnhart, recently named. Amanda is a former ski instructor and adventure sports enthusiast. Not sure what happened to the previous GM. No news of any improvements. Hopefully 7S management will pay for some new light bulbs for the slope lighting so night skiing can resume. Best wishes to Amanda. 

Hidden Valley - promoted from within, Brett Lesnick, former Snow Sports Director and Summer Adventure Manager has been appointed the new HV GM. The handle tow lift providing a connection between the North Summit slopes and front face is being replaced. HV residents have recently complained loudly about the lack of attention to maintenance of Resort facilities. Some facilities are in poor condition. Hope Brett can turn that around. Brett is a local Jarrettsville, MD boy so we hope we can get him to join us on DC SKI. Good luck Brett.

Blue Knob - no new news from the the Knob. Does anyone else have trouble with access their website?

Weather - recent NOAA forecasts indicated a La Nina winter is expected. Some meteorologist are suggesting a winter similar to last year. That would be great!

Laurel Hill Crazie - DCSki Supporter
one month ago
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Maybe imp will chime in with some more details. Sarah Brown, former GM for Laurel, left to take a position with REI outfitters. Chris Plummer moved up in management, I don't know his title. Sarah and Chris were great from my perspective as one who organizes trail and glade restoration efforts. They also extended daily pass discounts for several annual Support Laurel Mountain weekends offered to readers of this site, SkiTalk.com, and for members of the Support Laurel Mountain State Park Ski Area Facebook Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/826787927369047/

snowsmith - DCSki Supporter
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I understand they mowed the trail under the lift. That should make it a little more skiable with a little less natural snow. I noticed last year that adjacent to Lower WC, there are a lot of trees growing. Who is responsible for trimming those trees back?
Laurel Hill Crazie - DCSki Supporter
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snowsmith wrote:

I understand they mowed the trail under the lift. That should make it a little more skiable with a little less natural snow. I noticed last year that adjacent to Lower WC, there are a lot of trees growing. Who is responsible for trimming those trees back?

Only the very top of Snow Bowl (under the lift) down to the first steep "step" has been mowed. There was a discussion of the issue in our Facebook Group. Seven Springs is responsible for all of the mountain's management so they are ultimately responsible for keeping the entire lift line cleared. 

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Leo
one month ago
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I don't want to be negative but I spend a fair amount of time at both HV and LM in the summer and fall and there isn't a whole lot going on.  I bike regularly at LM and sometimes will ride by the slopes, but don't know much more than what I see.

At HV, specific anecdotal things I can comment on:

The conf center would have made a nice haunted house this fall as it seems abandoned for all intents and purposes.  Along with plenty other of the resort infrastructure.

A friend had their wedding cancelled somewhat last second by wedding standards because there are no longer decent facilities at the resort.  They gave her the option of moving it to 7S but she moved it elsewhere, which I don't blame her.  I doubt she was the only wedding booked for the summer or fall that ended up taking their money and guests elsewhere.

HV was overcrowded all of last winter.  Nothing was done with lifts, or the already existing trail expansion.  So expecting a different result this year would be wishful thinking.

The township (Jefferson) tried to blame homeowner's and deem them responsible for the pathetic construction and maintenance of the drainage along steep parts of the roads within the resort.

So I can see why homeowners would have been vocal and complaining.  They should be.

camp
one month ago
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snowsmith wrote:

Blue Knob - no new news from the the Knob. Does anyone else have trouble with access their website?

Well, I was about to pile on and begin my annual complaining about Blue Knob as I haven't seen the daily golf/wings/music specials that they Facebook every other day. So I checked their FB and sure enough, they posted yesterday. I guess since I haven't interacted with one of their posts in a while, I don't get all their new posts. 

Checked their website too and it works a little wonky and I see some new info on the Indy Pass there.

Patf1engineer
one month ago
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 We have been considering getting a condo at HV for a few years, but hearing some of this makes Davis WV should a lot more appealing.  That and other things quite frankly.

Leo wrote:

I don't want to be negative but I spend a fair amount of time at both HV and LM in the summer and fall and there isn't a whole lot going on.  I bike regularly at LM and sometimes will ride by the slopes, but don't know much more than what I see.

At HV, specific anecdotal things I can comment on:

The conf center would have made a nice haunted house this fall as it seems abandoned for all intents and purposes.  Along with plenty other of the resort infrastructure.

A friend had their wedding cancelled somewhat last second by wedding standards because there are no longer decent facilities at the resort.  They gave her the option of moving it to 7S but she moved it elsewhere, which I don't blame her.  I doubt she was the only wedding booked for the summer or fall that ended up taking their money and guests elsewhere.

HV was overcrowded all of last winter.  Nothing was done with lifts, or the already existing trail expansion.  So expecting a different result this year would be wishful thinking.

The township (Jefferson) tried to blame homeowner's and deem them responsible for the pathetic construction and maintenance of the drainage along steep parts of the roads within the resort.

So I can see why homeowners would have been vocal and complaining.  They should be.

Leo
one month ago
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 There are definitely nice things about HV.  But how it's run under Nutting is not one of them.  The improvements vs Kettler's ownership were all made under Buncher and Nutting pretty much runs it the same way he does the Pirates.  Maximize revenue while minimizing expenses.  Which from an ownership standpoint works in the short term, but that's about it.  

Patf1engineer wrote:


 We have been considering getting a condo at HV for a few years, but hearing some of this makes Davis WV should a lot more appealing.  That and other things quite frankly.

Leo wrote:

I don't want to be negative but I spend a fair amount of time at both HV and LM in the summer and fall and there isn't a whole lot going on.  I bike regularly at LM and sometimes will ride by the slopes, but don't know much more than what I see.

At HV, specific anecdotal things I can comment on:

The conf center would have made a nice haunted house this fall as it seems abandoned for all intents and purposes.  Along with plenty other of the resort infrastructure.

A friend had their wedding cancelled somewhat last second by wedding standards because there are no longer decent facilities at the resort.  They gave her the option of moving it to 7S but she moved it elsewhere, which I don't blame her.  I doubt she was the only wedding booked for the summer or fall that ended up taking their money and guests elsewhere.

HV was overcrowded all of last winter.  Nothing was done with lifts, or the already existing trail expansion.  So expecting a different result this year would be wishful thinking.

The township (Jefferson) tried to blame homeowner's and deem them responsible for the pathetic construction and maintenance of the drainage along steep parts of the roads within the resort.

So I can see why homeowners would have been vocal and complaining.  They should be.

Thefirewarde
one month ago
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That's why I think asking 7S to adopt Blue Knob is dubious at best. Granted even minimal effort and/or budget would be nice, but I seriously doubt there would be a complete overhaul like Timberline WV got.

Speaking of Timberline, though, I sure wouldn't mind if the Perfects went and added a third mountain.

hockeydave
one month ago
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Played golf with a longtime 7S pass holder a couple of weeks ago. He told me that he and his wife "HAD" to buy a Highlands Pass and that purchasing a 7S only season pass was not an option. Can anyone confirm?
Blue Don 1982 - DCSki Supporter
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https://www.7springs.com/tickets-passes-rentals/season-passes/ 

That appears to be the case for 7S only.  Looks like one can still buy HV or LM as stand alone passes

hockeydave wrote:

Played golf with a longtime 7S pass holder a couple of weeks ago. He told me that he and his wife "HAD" to buy a Highlands Pass and that purchasing a 7S only season pass was not an option. Can anyone confirm?
Thefirewarde
one month ago
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IIf Laurel Mountain is $500/pass and the Highland pass is $675, 7S doesn't seem to be gouging folks all that hard. More likely they're trying to spreadtthe crowd across their three properties. $175 sure ain't nothing, but it's not nearly as steep as, say, Boyne passes.

snowsmith - DCSki Supporter
one month ago
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Check out the pass price comparison that Scott and I prepared:

DCSki 2021/2022 Unlimited Season Pass Comparison

imp
one month ago
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season passes are very under priced everywhere! 

day tickets are very overpriced.

everyone is giving away to those who would pay higher prices for their addiction, and driving away any new casual skiers.

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
19 days ago
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Price summary for the Laurels from the local TV news.

You’ll pay more to hit the slopes this year skiing, snowboarding

Laurel Hill Crazie - DCSki Supporter
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RodneyBD - DCSki Supporter
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So for an article for skiers about ski resort improvements, the marketing director at Blue Knob made sure to convey that... the restaurant parking lot got re-paved.

Brilliant.

snowsmith - DCSki Supporter
19 days ago
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Actually, Blue Knob has installed about 3/4 mile of new snow making pipelines. I think the ownership group has limited capital. The improvements will come in small doses. They are unique and I hope they stay that way. You can go to Vail and spend $175 on a weekend lift ticket if you want another type of ski product. 
Laurel Hill Crazie - DCSki Supporter
17 days ago
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A little birdie told me that snowmaking will begin at Seven Springs and Hidden Valley tomorrow night and Tuesday night. It looks like there will be some low overnight snowmaking temperatures in the coming weeks. 

At Laurel, we had a trail and glade clearing party yesterday. The ground was frozen in the morning but softened in the 50-degree temperatures by afternoon. I don't expect snowmaking at Laurel until December, just in time to open for the Christmas holiday week. 

Thefirewarde
17 days ago
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Unfortunately they can't use their new pipe or the bigass new pump if they don't have guns. A dozen new low E guns would go a long way towards getting the core trails open sooner.
Laurel Hill Crazie - DCSki Supporter
16 days ago (edited 16 days ago)
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The Seven Springs family of resorts will have their White Friday deals available this coming Friday and Cyber Monday deals available the following Monday. These are available only on those days.

https://www.7springs.com/tickets-passes-rentals/special-offers/

https://www.laurelmountainski.com/ski-ride/special-offers/?fbclid=IwAR0LiK1cIo4NvilRYK4x-a8ay8KveAV1r8Ekfj8x49S81hA7EyHpyqXDUcQ

http://www.hiddenvalleyresort.com/winter/ski-and-ride/winter-specials/



Laurel Hill Crazie - DCSki Supporter
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The guns are firing at Seven Springs. Video on their Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/SevenSpringsMountainResort

snowsmith - DCSki Supporter
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yes, also at HV. Looks like they can get a day or two then again after turkey day.
Cole53
15 days ago
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Cole53
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Blue knob off to a start interesting to see if their snowmaking capabilities will be better this year with the upgraded pipes
Thefirewarde
15 days ago
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I hear it's just fans on the beginner chair and the tube park, unfortunately.
liketoskidad
15 days ago
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Seven Springs is blowing snow

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superguy
15 days ago
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HV is surprisingly aggressive with snowmaking this season. They're blowing on the back side as well - at least Comet and possibly Barracuda. Imperial's also getting early love too. That's a first. They usually focused on the right side of the valley slipped slopes with the dual triples.

Their TechnoAlpin system seems to be putting it down better than 7S.

Patf1engineer
11 days ago
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We picked up skis at the shop today and honestly I was a little disappointed with what I saw.  There is not much on Imperial and I only saw a couple of guns operating.  Nothing on Thunderbird either, and did not see anything on Cobra either.  They are making snow on the North Summit although we did not drive over there  
Laurel Hill Crazie - DCSki Supporter
8 days ago (edited 8 days ago)
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Seven Springs announced opening day this Saturday, Dec. 4.

superguy
8 days ago
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 A condo owner at BK I know was telling me there was another group that wanted to buy BK when it was sold.  It was supposed to include the Fiore family out of Altoona (the car dealership owners).  They had the money to do it (even had a better offer) but couldn't get the approvals done with the state so the current owners got it.  The current owners are supposed to be a group of doctors, dentists and lawyers out of Pittsburgh. Nice folks but don't know much about running a ski resort, and the management they picked doesn't know much about running it either.  Nice people said, but they're definitely not the best people for the job.  Between the management and owners, they're not running the place well to make enough money to do all the improvements that need done.

He also thought having Scott Bender come in to consult was a complete waste, focusing more on beginners and snowtubing rather than getting skiers and boarders up there that would be more profitable.

I haven't talked to him this year for his thoughts on updates. Take it with a grain of salt as it's one opinion, but he at least has some skin in the game up there.

BK mentioned that they replaced about a half mile of leaky pipe in the snowmaking system, and should provide for better snowmaking on Lower High Hopes.  Pipe really needs to be replaced on Extrovert.  Patrol told me last season that Extrovert has so many leaks that snowmaking is only about 33% efficient.  I would have put that as a higher priority over LHH as Extrovert gets butts to the mountain, and thus more money.

If I ever won the lottery, I'd buy BK and turn it into something special.  That place has so much untapped potential that's just being wasted by a lack of resources and bad management.

Otherwise, BK would need to be bought by someone else that has the money to put into it.  I think Boyne would be a great choice for that. I think they could really do something with BK.  Just looking at what they're doing with Sunday River 2030 and Sugarloaf, they could transform it into a mid-Atlantic power house.  The resort owns 1200 acres of land total, which would give them a lot of room to expand.  The state doesn't own much of it at all - only a good chunk of the summit and the clubhouse area.

Maybe Boyne needs to have the idea pitched to them. :D

Thefirewarde wrote:

That's why I think asking 7S to adopt Blue Knob is dubious at best. Granted even minimal effort and/or budget would be nice, but I seriously doubt there would be a complete overhaul like Timberline WV got.

Speaking of Timberline, though, I sure wouldn't mind if the Perfects went and added a third mountain.

superguy
8 days ago
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Cobra and Imperial appeared to be getting love last night. Those have kinda been off and on since they started.

It's starting to pile up on the webcams.

Thefirewarde
7 days ago
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Leaks on Extrovert don't take away percentage points of efficiency, either you can start the trail or you can't. If you're losing 66% of a 3000 GPM system you aren't making snow, you're washing out something. Probably Runout. Not that the pipe on Extrovert is in good shape, or that they could groom the piles out to be a decent base even if it was healthy.

I agree pipe is important, especially High Hopes since it's not stupid wide and can be a second TTB run early. The biggest problem is there's just no way to get water on the hill where the new fan guns can't run - There's decent pumps, a new air compressor, and what I'd call good snowmaking everywhere there are outlets, but the majority of the hill is fighting to open with 1970s technology (tripods/air water towers) or 1990s technology that won't run above 20 degrees.

superguy
7 days ago
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It's probably a combination of the pipe and really old guns on Extrovert. I believe the 33% efficiency figure though. Ver probably hasn't had much love in years.

I understand that the steeper the run is, the more snow it takes to get it skiable. So if there are efficiency issues, I can see why it's dead last for snowmaking and relies heavily on natural snow. But let's also be real here: other resorts can get some of their signature runs open early and make them a higher priority because it gets butts to the mountain, and thus $$$. Wildcat at LM is always one of the first to get it, and I don't doubt White Lightning at Montage is high on the list.

The best BK can offer is Stembogan, which is a great run in its own right, but it won't have people ditching work to ski it like Extrovert does. But even then, it wasn't open until midseason and it took at least a week, it not more to get it groomed. It ended up being a nasty, curvy mogul run until then, and it wasn't any fun (jacked my back on it).

Just looking at what BK is doing, they're putting money into the wrong things. It's the thinks that don't make money. Aside from making needed repairs that affect safety or operation (say a leaky roof in the lodge), they need to focus nearly all their money into snowmaking and new lift. 66 was pretty much the only lift running last year, and it didn't look like it's been run in ages. The doubles are 60 years old and made by manufacturers that aren't even around anymore. I don't think they're long for this world. Maintenance and repair's gotta be expensive. Even replacing those with a decent used triple would probably make a huge difference. Maybe they should have made an offer on the old Avalanche triple from 7S.

Sadly, I think BK's going to continue to limp along until someone with some actual money comes along.

HVdad
7 days ago (edited 7 days ago)
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Blue Knob... not sure it will ever become the destination intended. Apologies for posting this link again... showed up on this site several years back. Still hilarious! You'll need to cut and paste the link below.

https://www.yurasko.net/wfy/2019/02/encore-wednesday-peter-graves-pitching-blue-knob-ski-are-condos-in-1982.html

RodneyBD - DCSki Supporter
6 days ago (edited 6 days ago)
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What's crazy about the BK situation is the bar is so low... Seven Springs gets what, 400,000 annual skier visits?  If BK could peel off just 25k they would be ecstatic.  They just need to improve the skiing product to "respectable"... and they can't formulate a plan to get there... 
Patf1engineer
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You might want to check the webcams now.  I don't see them opening any time soon unless they have massive piles of snow on top of the hill that they are pushing down.

superguy wrote:

Cobra and Imperial appeared to be getting love last night. Those have kinda been off and on since they started.

It's starting to pile up on the webcams.

wgo
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Denis - DCSki Supporter
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Too good indeed.  That voice.  That confidence.  That style.   Thanks for posting.
HVdad
4 days ago
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"The fortunate few that get in on the ground floor..."   lol, lol, lol

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
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wgo wrote:

Reposting the above BK promo link because it is too good to not reshare!

https://www.yurasko.net/wfy/2019/02/encore-wednesday-peter-graves-pitching-blue-knob-ski-are-condos-in-1982.html

 Noticed you also had a link to the similar promo for the Pinnacle Inn at Beech Mountain.  That was built.  Perhaps not quite as big as the original plan but has several multi-story buildings around the central building that has a small indoor pool.  I stayed there with my daughter and her tween friend a dozen years ago.  It's right across from the Beech Mountain (town not ski area) sledding hill.

wfyurasko - DCSki Supporter
4 days ago (edited 4 days ago)
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marzNC wrote:

wgo wrote:

Reposting the above BK promo link because it is too good to not reshare!

https://www.yurasko.net/wfy/2019/02/encore-wednesday-peter-graves-pitching-blue-knob-ski-are-condos-in-1982.html

 Noticed you also had a link to the similar promo for the Pinnacle Inn at Beech Mountain.  That was built.  Perhaps not quite as big as the original plan but has several multi-story buildings around the central building that has a small indoor pool.  I stayed there with my daughter and her tween friend a dozen years ago.  It's right across from the Beech Mountain (town not ski area) sledding hill.

 I did not know that -- I've never skied in the Carolinas before. Peter Graves appeals were not in vain!

I hope Blue Knob gets the Timberline treatment. Given that I went to Blue Knob and T-line in back to back years with basically the same conditions, I liked Blue Knob more. I really enjoyed my day there and really want to return. Perhaps getting my own equipment will increase that likelihood.

marzNC - DCSki Supporter
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wfyurasko wrote:


I hope Blue Knob gets the Timberline treatment. Given that I went to Blue Knob and T-line in back to back years with basically the same conditions, I liked Blue Knob more. I really enjoyed my day there and really want to return. Perhaps getting my own equipment will increase that likelihood.

 Having your own gear definitely makes it easier to decide to get a day or two on the slopes when snow conditions aren't optimal.  Just as having a season pass makes it more likely that extra effort to get to the slopes after a rare snowstorm will be worth it.  Or the Indy Pass.

Thefirewarde
3 days ago
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Do I buy that the pipe on Extrovert is shot? Could be! We don't know if those old HKD towers are in working order, either. The only way I can parse that 33% comment that makes sense is that the HKDs won't run either from damage or low pressure, so you have to use air-water guns instead. It just doesn't make sense otherwise and is wildly inaccurate if it is talking about Larchmont versus HKD.

Blue Knob and Magic have done basically the opposite of each other for upgrades. Magic has secured two summit lifts, two air compressors, transfer pumps, and a lot (70+ including portables) of new low E snowguns.

Blue Knob has bought a big brand new (Magic got two smaller used) compressor, a big new pump, and some shiny new fan guns. Both have done about the same amount of pipe replacement as of this year. Magic can max out their much smaller GPM system any day of the week, while Blue Knob can move all the water in the world the couple of times a year it gets cold but gets almost nothing done while it's warm.

If I was calling the shots, I'd have more portable low E guns on a truck headed my way ASAP, with a goal to replace one in three guns on Mambo, Deer Run, and Stembogan with new manual low E guns as soon as possible. I would not be even trying to fix Extrovert until I had my core green, blue, and black trails semi updated - if I can't get to Extrovert until after president's day anyway there's no point spending money on it. Conversely, upgrading the guns on Mambo means opening faster with better conditions, and speeding up progress on every subsequent trail. Portables improve every trail that's not too steep to use them on, but going much over 15-20 of them is too much work for a normal size crew on a bad night and they aren't as good as fixed towers in marginal weather.

Lifts, I know they at least repainted all the towers on all three lifts for last season and were limited by staffing - whether that's in addition to or instead of mechanical problems, I don't know. I agree that replacing High Hopes or 66, especially with a larger lift, would be a worthwhile upgrade. I don't know how much extra engineering is involved because of the intersections, potentially grandfathered clearance, and potentially grandfathered midstations. Replacing one of the doubles should yield a spare parts bounty for the other drive because they were both rebuilt at about the same time by CTEC.

What I wouldn't be doing is replacing any pipe that wasn't critical to Mambo, Stembogan, Deer Run, or Runout.

superguy
2 days ago
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Expressway's pipe had problems last year or the year before (can't remember which: that had to be repaired and contributed to the late opening. I remember videos showing only every third tower making snow, so it was pretty slow going.

A lot of it is kinda kludged. They replaced damaged sections bit still connected it to the old stuff. I think the whole line should have been done right from the start as they're going to have to go in and replace the rest of it.

I'm thinking Extrovert has a combo of leaky pipes and either damaged or unreliable stick guns. I'm thinking Deer Run has issues too as they never really got it covered that well - had limitations or thin cover most of the season.

I think BK focuses too much on the crap runs at the top. Mambo top to bottom used to be the first one open then the beginner area upper twins, Expressway, Jackrabbit/Bunny Hop and Deer Run. Stembogan was the first black to get love. I'd get the piddlie greens at the top last or if there's some spare capacity some night that can afford to have some guns running.

If I were in charge, I'd put a quad (preferably a detachable) on HH and replace the 66 double with a triple to midstation for the black runs.

I'd get Stembogan open first, but I think neglecting Extrovert is a mistake. That's like LM keeping Lower Wildcat closed for most of season. Kinda takes most of the point of skiing it away.

Do you know what BK's pump GPM is? I was under the impression it was only 1000 gpm when they put the new pump in, but I could be mistaken. Not sure on air capacity.

Thefirewarde
2 days ago (edited 2 days ago)
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They have 3000+ GPM, ~5000 CFM. Depends heavily on what they're running as to what they can actually use. I wouldn't expect to see 700 GPM when it's above 25 wetbulb, and less than 500 just running summit fan guns. (20 GPM average startup flow x 25 fans - less is plausable.) 20:1 air water ratio for a generic air water gun, 5000 CFM, 250 GPM more when they spin the compressor and only run tripods/Larchmont towers because they bought pipe instead of new low E guns for Mambo.

I agree there's no good reason to use air on anything between the terrain park and upper Mambo until Stembogan is open. There are some outlets for fans in that area.

If 1 in 3 sticks are running and the spacing is consistent, that to me says they don't have enough air to start the rest - probably because there's one or two Larchmonts running somewhere that they really shouldn't be. If the pipe was bad, they couldn't start any towers on that line.

And seriously, the mountain does have isolation valves for water. If one trail is dead, fine. Fix it in the spring. Losing one trail should only change what order you make snow in, unless it's one of the handfuls of mains that connect everything. There's no point to having good pipe if you're running 750 GPM or 1000 GPM until it's 15 degrees out. Get good guns on the critical trails. Then worry about coming through doing hugely expensive total trail rehabs.

Deer Run really needs to have a 600A line run down it and get some Fan towers, but that's way more $$$ than is reasonable to discuss when we have to pick between 30 new guns or replacing shot pipe.

This is leading to some off topic but interesting points - how many paragraphs does this need to get to to deserve a new topic?

Laurel Hill Crazie - DCSki Supporter
2 days ago
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Yes, very interesting thread drift. I am tempted to comment and ask more questions. There are many issues that can be explored here, technical and economic. Perhaps Scott will cull the posts to begin a new thread. 

What I really want to post is my experience of opening weekend at Seven Springs. My wife and I went Sunday, being less opening day enthusiasts and more closing day skiers because of our wish to avoid crowds. By accounts, Sunday was less crowded than opening day Saturday. We actually found the space to turn where we wanted instead of turning in reaction to a moving slalom of crowed slopes.

7S had the usual suspects open, Wagner, Fawn, and Philips. The two front face upper mountain terrain parks had coverage, but I don't know if there were any features yet. The front face Cortina Trail was almost ready, but the lowest section at the Wagner intersection where the alpine slide crosses were too thin and narrow to open. What was new, at least new for me on opening, was Lost Boy and The Alley open with terrain park features on Lost Boy from near the top lift unload. That meant that 750 vertical was available serviced by the North Face lift. The front face 6-pack was running along with the fixed-grip Cortina quad, bot serving Wagner, Philip's, and Fawn. Also operational was the beginner's area magic carpet. The Cortina Quad was ski on the entire time we were there (about 3 hours in the morning). We sent the time making laps off that lift. The six had full corrals but moved along nicely the one time we used it. I used the North Face fixed quad only for my first lift ride. The North parking lot was open, so we opted to boot up there and navigate the busy Alley for our first run mindful of terrain park features and allowing for a safe distance between us through traffic skiers and park devotees. 

The surface conditions were about what you would expect from early-season machine made. There was a very firm icy base with a lose sugary covering of varying depth giving rise to small proto bumps on Wagner. We spent more time on Fawn and Philips then I would have expected but it was useful for focusing on getting good technique established with the added bonus of relatively low traffic. All in all it was a nice start to the season but as always, the limited terrain is but a tease for the season ahead of us.

superguy
2 days ago
Member since 03/8/2018 🔗
332 posts

Great report LHC!

How much damage was done with the warm up?

I noticed on the webcams that they were making snow on Lost Boy and thought that was different this year. They also didn't even make snow on Stowe which was surprising.

I also favor Cortina when it's open. Yeah, it's slower but looks you said, it's usually ski on or the wait is less than a minute. Slower lifts also give old farts (and middle aged farts like me lol) a bit more of a break.

I'd rather be sitting in a slow chair than waiting in line for a fast lift, but that's just me.

It's looking like we're going to get a slow start this year. A few days of good snowmaking then warmer days and cold nights until Christmas.

Hopefully we'll have a better January.

snowsmith - DCSki Supporter
yesterday
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Snow making has started on Laurel Mountain

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Laurel Hill Crazie - DCSki Supporter
yesterday
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Nice!! I can't wait to hit Lower Widcat.
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