Hey folks, imagine you want to go skiing, but no one posts open trails online, and the only way you can find out is if you drive up there and buy a ticket. Only then can you see if there's a trail to ski on. But, if there isn't, you've driven all that way and spent all that money only to find out you can't ski. Seems absurd, but that's kind of how it is for me. I don't get the sense that it's like that for many other people here, but I mostly only want to go up if there are moguls. I'm fine doing a lot of groomed run practice, but there's more than enough of that always, because top to bottom mogul trails are rare around here. I'm also ok to ski whatever with friends and family, but to go up by myself, it's moguls or nothing. Sometimes I put all that effort and money getting up there only to find out there really aren't moguls. I'm so alone in this approach to skiing that the resorts do not help me out much. Maybe some will give the grooming report, but that's a far cry from telling the mogul conditions to determine if that's how I want to spend my day. I don't think many of you will give me much sympathy, because you're happy to be up there without moguls. Even so, I hope for some empathy and some help. Consider it a civic duty that helps out just me.
Through the season, if you spot some moguls somewhere, please report it to this thread. It's possible that there won't be much for a while, and this thread will bury, but please remember it and post to it. I would appreciate as much detail as you are willing to give; size, shape, regularity, surface conditions, length.... but just a trail name is fine too.
Stephen,
Thanks for starting this thread. Hopefully the weather will cooperate and we will start to see some bumps forming soon.
Whitetail with Exhibition does a great job of supporting moguls, and with the web cam looking at it, I can determine the situation. I've looped that trail many times. If all the resorts were like that, I wouldn't have any problems.
7S often has moguls. A lot of good mogul skiers go there.
I would like to get on that Lower Wildcat with bumps.
Timberline had bumps once upon a time. It's so sad that they don't seem to have them anymore.
Often a line will show up somewhere that's just a sliver down the side, and that's good enough for me.
Stephen wrote:
From Timberline's website this morning: "All open terrain has been machine groomed except for Off the Wall and The Drop, which are ungroomed with snowmaking mounds for a more advanced terrain option." Is this a sea change in philosophy?
I hope so. Maybe our efforts of complaining to Timberline over the past several years are finally being addressed. However, I’m not optimistic and I bet they will push them out after this worm spell and the place will remain groomed to the rest of the season.
Stephen wrote:
From Timberline's website this morning: "All open terrain has been machine groomed except for Off the Wall and The Drop, which are ungroomed with snowmaking mounds for a more advanced terrain option." Is this a sea change in philosophy?
I boarded down the ungroomed rock hard mounds last week (bad decision :-), 'twas a bad decision. Hopefully they get some soft days.
Whales aren't ideal, but I'll take it.
"for a more advanced terrain option.", that part gives me hope.
From Mnut today (12/29)
"It is coming! A front is expected to push through today, helping the warm air to make a (well wished for) exit and welcoming colder temperatures back to the Valley. Snowmaking crews are ready to fire guns back up on majority of open terrain today, aiming for a 4 PM go – time. Due to warm temps, Slot has been left ungroomed for our off-piste and bump enthusiast to enjoy! (Thin cover conditions will be present)"
I am guessing this is a today-only deal - once they make snow later today they will probably groom it out. And I was unexpectedly able to get out for a few hours yesterday morning and bumps had not really started forming on the Slot yet by the time I left.
Timberline is doing great this year. How were the moguls?
MRPLOW wrote:
Skied Timberline Jan 3rd/4th. Was pleasantly surprised to find moguls and no grooming on "The Drop" and "Off the Wall". They should leave the "The drop" as an ungroomed mogul run the whole season. They have a bunch of other similar slopes that go straight down the face, so was awesome to have the added variety of a fun mogul run.
Timberline - Off the Wall from today. Skied beautifully, super soft and lots of fun. Think the bumps are going to stick around also. They did groom The Drop.
Perfect! You lead with the good news.
AaronS wrote:
Timberline - Off the Wall from today. Skied beautifully, super soft and lots of fun. Think the bumps are going to stick around also. They did groom The Drop.
AaronS wrote:
Timberline - Off the Wall from today. Skied beautifully, super soft and lots of fun. Think the bumps are going to stick around also. They did groom The Drop.
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That looks every bit as good as anything in Utah right now!
I see moguls on Exhibition at Whitetail on their web cam.
Wintergreen still hasn't opened Outer Limits. That's messed up. Something's going on there.
Looked like there was a pipe repair going on a few weeks ago (very early Jan) but the OL guns were on last weekend before and during the snowstorm. Conditions on the rest of the Highlands have been absolutely delightful the past couple weeks.
Related to your bumps interest -- there were some bumps forming on Eagle Swoop of all places on Sunday. I hated it but you probably woulda loved it!
Stephen wrote:
I see moguls on Exhibition at Whitetail on their web cam.
Wintergreen still hasn't opened Outer Limits. That's messed up. Something's going on there.
In the early 90s they let Eagle Swoop bump up. I haven't seen bumps there since then.
natehurst wrote:
Looked like there was a pipe repair going on a few weeks ago (very early Jan) but the OL guns were on last weekend before and during the snowstorm. Conditions on the rest of the Highlands have been absolutely delightful the past couple weeks.
Related to your bumps interest -- there were some bumps forming on Eagle Swoop of all places on Sunday. I hated it but you probably woulda loved it!
Stephen wrote:
I see moguls on Exhibition at Whitetail on their web cam.
Wintergreen still hasn't opened Outer Limits. That's messed up. Something's going on there.
I'm thinking hard about where I should go, and if I should go. At some point I stopped skiing in the mid Atlantic when it was cold, because the bumps were just like skiing on rocks. Though last two years I went to Massanutten even though it was cold, expecting not to ski bumps, and I ended up having some good bump days. They've been doing a great job of blowing snow and making good cold mogul conditions.
Here are my rules: If there's been a snow storm, and it stays cold all day since that storm, it's good. If it's above 35-40 degrees, depending on shade, it's good. The mystery is how much snow they make. Many places years ago would develop a mogul field and then leave it untouched with no snow making which made for some terrible conditions.
Also, this last snow storm around my house changed to rock hard ice even though it never got warm. There was just too much water content when it fell. I don't know how much that varied across the region. So, my first rule might not be applicable.
Does anyone have any info about the surface conditions?
Laurel Hill Crazie wrote:
If the patrol opens the natural snow trails at Laurel, half the mountain is moguls. Early morning yesterday the trail report listed them as closed but later in the day 100% of the mountain was open. It makes sense that they aren't listed as open until patrol checks conditions first.
I went to Whitetail today. If I got this report sooner I would have gone to Laurel. I was just thinking that the natural snow wasn't that great, and my best bet would be snowmaking. It didn't turn out that well. As far as I could tell from the web cam, the bumps looked good, but they were really just mounds of snow separated by sheets of ice. It was good exercise, but it was a character building day.
Everywhere that I want to turn to ski the fall line is where everyone else is turning too, and the snow is scraped clean. I mostly tried to ski from mound to mound. Here's a video of it. The ice doesn't come through on the video. In reality, it feels like it's everywhere, because a lot of those paths that look viable on the video are too abrupt to ski. I should have gotten video from the lift, where it looked like little mounds of snow in a sea of ice. Between the mounds, I have no edge grip. All I can do is skid down it.
If there's anyone that loves these conditions please share a video that shows how you ski it.
I already had a video of Whitetail on my Youtube channel for mid Atlantic mogul trails, so this video is unlisted. Just if you have the link below you can see it, and at some point I'll remove it. I'm just putting it up so people can see the conditions. I don't care about number of views.
Laurel Hill Crazie wrote:
I sent this reply to wgo: Conditions should be good. There was no rain/sleet during last weekend's storm. The natural snow terrain is marked closed on the early morning report but they should open 100% of the mountain after the patrol does their thing. The entire skiers right side of the mountain is in bumps that are not frozen Ice. Oh, wait, there was one trail closed and it's not on the map, the lower lift line is skied off.
Stephen wrote:
I went to Whitetail today. If I got this report sooner I would have gone to Laurel. I was just thinking that the natural snow wasn't that great, and my best bet would be snowmaking. It didn't turn out that well. As far as I could tell from the web cam, the bumps looked good, but they were really just mounds of snow separated by sheets of ice. It was good exercise, but it was a character building day.
Everywhere that I want to turn to ski the fall line is where everyone else is turning too, and the snow is scraped clean. I mostly tried to ski from mound to mound. Here's a video of it. The ice doesn't come through on the video. In reality, it feels like it's everywhere, because a lot of those paths that look viable on the video are too abrupt to ski. I should have gotten video from the lift, where it looked like little mounds of snow in a sea of ice. Between the mounds, I have no edge grip. All I can do is skid down it.
If there's anyone that loves these conditions please share a video that shows how you ski it.
I already had a video of Whitetail on my Youtube channel for mid Atlantic mogul trails, so this video is unlisted. Just if you have the link below you can see it, and at some point I'll remove it. I'm just putting it up so people can see the conditions. I don't care about number of views.
Laurel Hill Crazie wrote:
I sent this reply to wgo: Conditions should be good. There was no rain/sleet during last weekend's storm. The natural snow terrain is marked closed on the early morning report but they should open 100% of the mountain after the patrol does their thing. The entire skiers right side of the mountain is in bumps that are not frozen Ice. Oh, wait, there was one trail closed and it's not on the map, the lower lift line is skied off.
Tough to give a definitive opinion, since this is a POV video. But overall, seems like pretty decent skiing, especially given the conditions.
Tactical advice: ski less in the troughs, do rounder turns, less in the zipper line. These are not real rutted bumps, so you can do some carving. Carve around the icy patches, use the top side of the bumps where there is more snow todo your turns. Avoid the troughs as much as you can, visualize the backside and sides of the bumps. Look at the bumps, not the troughs. You generally ski where you look.
Random advice from the Internets, but I do know what I’m talking about.
JohnL wrote:
Stephen wrote:
I went to Whitetail today. If I got this report sooner I would have gone to Laurel. I was just thinking that the natural snow wasn't that great, and my best bet would be snowmaking. It didn't turn out that well. As far as I could tell from the web cam, the bumps looked good, but they were really just mounds of snow separated by sheets of ice. It was good exercise, but it was a character building day.
Everywhere that I want to turn to ski the fall line is where everyone else is turning too, and the snow is scraped clean. I mostly tried to ski from mound to mound. Here's a video of it. The ice doesn't come through on the video. In reality, it feels like it's everywhere, because a lot of those paths that look viable on the video are too abrupt to ski. I should have gotten video from the lift, where it looked like little mounds of snow in a sea of ice. Between the mounds, I have no edge grip. All I can do is skid down it.
If there's anyone that loves these conditions please share a video that shows how you ski it.
I already had a video of Whitetail on my Youtube channel for mid Atlantic mogul trails, so this video is unlisted. Just if you have the link below you can see it, and at some point I'll remove it. I'm just putting it up so people can see the conditions. I don't care about number of views.
Laurel Hill Crazie wrote:
I sent this reply to wgo: Conditions should be good. There was no rain/sleet during last weekend's storm. The natural snow terrain is marked closed on the early morning report but they should open 100% of the mountain after the patrol does their thing. The entire skiers right side of the mountain is in bumps that are not frozen Ice. Oh, wait, there was one trail closed and it's not on the map, the lower lift line is skied off.Tough to give a definitive opinion, since this is a POV video. But overall, seems like pretty decent skiing, especially given the conditions.
Tactical advice: ski less in the troughs, do rounder turns, less in the zipper line. These are not real rutted bumps, so you can do some carving. Carve around the icy patches, use the top side of the bumps where there is more snow todo your turns. Avoid the troughs as much as you can, visualize the backside and sides of the bumps. Look at the bumps, not the troughs. You generally ski where you look.
Random advice from the Internets, but I do know what I’m talking about.
Alternative advice, if you have SL skis and the carving skills, you could simply carve the troughs. Requires a stiff well-tuned ski.
I don't have an SL ski, but I've been meaning to get one. Which one should I get?
These bumps don't have troughs, though. It's just a sheet of ice with mounds of snow. If the bumps were closer together, I would just link turns from mound of snow to mound of snow which can be really fun, because it's skiing powder/packed powder. I'm definitely going to get an SL ski at some point, though I was thinking for groomers. Maybe buy CARV and mess around with that. The Idones are pretty amazing skis. Super fun. The edge grip is pretty good, and they have a good amount of carve to them. I doubt there are many bump conditions where an SL ski is more fun, though I see the potential for days like Friday. I'd like to find out. Have you been on a mogul ski? I haven't been on a dedicated SL ski, but I've skied high end carver skis. My last pair bent in the bumps, and I haven't looked back since.
JohnL wrote:
JohnL wrote:
Stephen wrote:
I went to Whitetail today. If I got this report sooner I would have gone to Laurel. I was just thinking that the natural snow wasn't that great, and my best bet would be snowmaking. It didn't turn out that well. As far as I could tell from the web cam, the bumps looked good, but they were really just mounds of snow separated by sheets of ice. It was good exercise, but it was a character building day.
Everywhere that I want to turn to ski the fall line is where everyone else is turning too, and the snow is scraped clean. I mostly tried to ski from mound to mound. Here's a video of it. The ice doesn't come through on the video. In reality, it feels like it's everywhere, because a lot of those paths that look viable on the video are too abrupt to ski. I should have gotten video from the lift, where it looked like little mounds of snow in a sea of ice. Between the mounds, I have no edge grip. All I can do is skid down it.
If there's anyone that loves these conditions please share a video that shows how you ski it.
I already had a video of Whitetail on my Youtube channel for mid Atlantic mogul trails, so this video is unlisted. Just if you have the link below you can see it, and at some point I'll remove it. I'm just putting it up so people can see the conditions. I don't care about number of views.
Laurel Hill Crazie wrote:
I sent this reply to wgo: Conditions should be good. There was no rain/sleet during last weekend's storm. The natural snow terrain is marked closed on the early morning report but they should open 100% of the mountain after the patrol does their thing. The entire skiers right side of the mountain is in bumps that are not frozen Ice. Oh, wait, there was one trail closed and it's not on the map, the lower lift line is skied off.Tough to give a definitive opinion, since this is a POV video. But overall, seems like pretty decent skiing, especially given the conditions.
Tactical advice: ski less in the troughs, do rounder turns, less in the zipper line. These are not real rutted bumps, so you can do some carving. Carve around the icy patches, use the top side of the bumps where there is more snow todo your turns. Avoid the troughs as much as you can, visualize the backside and sides of the bumps. Look at the bumps, not the troughs. You generally ski where you look.
Random advice from the Internets, but I do know what I’m talking about.
Alternative advice, if you have SL skis and the carving skills, you could simply carve the troughs. Requires a stiff well-tuned ski.
I meant to write last time, that I'm not going to complain about the sheets of ice. Instead, I'm going to be thankful for the mounds of powder.
wgo wrote:
Bumps on skiers right of lower wildcat at laurel were similar, mounds of snow with scrapped off snow in between. Still fun though. On several other trails very nice moguls were in the process of forming, these were shaping up nicely by the end of the day.
wgo wrote:
Bumps on skiers right of lower wildcat at laurel were similar, mounds of snow with scrapped off snow in between. Still fun though. On several other trails very nice moguls were in the process of forming, these were shaping up nicely by the end of the day.
Trails with snow making don’t develop good bumps until the weather gets pretty warm. Aka, Spring. Once you get down to what I call the “snowmaking perma-frost layer” and the temps are still cold, skiing pretty much sucks. Same out west as it is back east. And regular grooming helps to compress the snow.
Stephen wrote:
I don't have an SL ski, but I've been meaning to get one. Which one should I get?
These bumps don't have troughs, though. It's just a sheet of ice with mounds of snow. If the bumps were closer together, I would just link turns from mound of snow to mound of snow which can be really fun, because it's skiing powder/packed powder. I'm definitely going to get an SL ski at some point, though I was thinking for groomers. Maybe buy CARV and mess around with that. The Idones are pretty amazing skis. Super fun. The edge grip is pretty good, and they have a good amount of carve to them. I doubt there are many bump conditions where an SL ski is more fun, though I see the potential for days like Friday. I'd like to find out. Have you been on a mogul ski? I haven't been on a dedicated SL ski, but I've skied high end carver skis. My last pair bent in the bumps, and I haven't looked back since.
JohnL wrote:
JohnL wrote:
Stephen wrote:
I went to Whitetail today. If I got this report sooner I would have gone to Laurel. I was just thinking that the natural snow wasn't that great, and my best bet would be snowmaking. It didn't turn out that well. As far as I could tell from the web cam, the bumps looked good, but they were really just mounds of snow separated by sheets of ice. It was good exercise, but it was a character building day.
Everywhere that I want to turn to ski the fall line is where everyone else is turning too, and the snow is scraped clean. I mostly tried to ski from mound to mound. Here's a video of it. The ice doesn't come through on the video. In reality, it feels like it's everywhere, because a lot of those paths that look viable on the video are too abrupt to ski. I should have gotten video from the lift, where it looked like little mounds of snow in a sea of ice. Between the mounds, I have no edge grip. All I can do is skid down it.
If there's anyone that loves these conditions please share a video that shows how you ski it.
I already had a video of Whitetail on my Youtube channel for mid Atlantic mogul trails, so this video is unlisted. Just if you have the link below you can see it, and at some point I'll remove it. I'm just putting it up so people can see the conditions. I don't care about number of views.
Laurel Hill Crazie wrote:
I sent this reply to wgo: Conditions should be good. There was no rain/sleet during last weekend's storm. The natural snow terrain is marked closed on the early morning report but they should open 100% of the mountain after the patrol does their thing. The entire skiers right side of the mountain is in bumps that are not frozen Ice. Oh, wait, there was one trail closed and it's not on the map, the lower lift line is skied off.Tough to give a definitive opinion, since this is a POV video. But overall, seems like pretty decent skiing, especially given the conditions.
Tactical advice: ski less in the troughs, do rounder turns, less in the zipper line. These are not real rutted bumps, so you can do some carving. Carve around the icy patches, use the top side of the bumps where there is more snow todo your turns. Avoid the troughs as much as you can, visualize the backside and sides of the bumps. Look at the bumps, not the troughs. You generally ski where you look.
Random advice from the Internets, but I do know what I’m talking about.
Alternative advice, if you have SL skis and the carving skills, you could simply carve the troughs. Requires a stiff well-tuned ski.
OK, we have a bit of mis-communication, no worries.
First of all, from your vid, I wouldn’t consider that a bump run where bump technique is really needed. I’ve skied that trail numerous times in the past, under a variety of conditions. True bump runs: Alta, Snowbird, Outer Limits at K, Stein’s at the Bush, pretty much all of MRG. I think you get my point.
I said troughs, but that is where true troughs will form once it gets warmer and skier traffic can punch through the firm ice layer. But the technique is generally the same.
From what you posted, you have the option of skiing that run as a groomed run, using carving technique, or as a bump run using bump technique. I haven’t used CARV, but it may be the wrong tool for bumps. For deeply rutted bumps, you are skiing a flatter ski, with gradual skidding to control ski. You are not carving. You should not be following the line that Olympic mogul skiers use - but follow most of their technique. They are timed, so they take a direct path down the fall line, using the back of the bumps and massive flexion/absorption to control speed. That is not sustainable skiing. Think rounder turns, skiing the slow line fast.
In general, I find SL skis too stiff for deep bumps. But I know skiers who can pull it off. Again, in deep bumps, you are more skidding than carving. Those aren’t deep bumps. So, could carve through that using turns of various roundness, from skipping the piles completely to rounder turns using the back side and side of the piles. I ski Atomic Redster S9, but Fisher and others have great SL skis. I haven’t skied true bump skis, since I am more of a free ride and tree skier - conditions permitting. You don’t need a dedicated bump ski to ski bumps. For deeper bumps, I would use my new front side carvers, Head eRalleys at 78 underfoot. Still can carve decently, but skid better and are less stiff. For soft Western bumps, my daily drivers are Atomic Bent 100s.
Summary: don’t worry about the ski. But ski rounder turns. Amount of carve determined by your choice and how deep the bumps are. Edit: you are skidding from snow pile to snow pile because you line is too straight down the fall line.
And when I say skid, I mean a flatter ski angle, not a mini hockey stop. Hockey stops have a high edge angle. So, maybe skid is not the best word…
Think pivot slips.
For the most part, I turned on the mounds of snow or on the soft edges of the mounds of snow. Just, sometimes, on that run, the mounds of snow were too far apart. I don't see much else to do with that much space unless an SL ski would have better edge grip. I did make lots of round turns going across the hill, because that's where the mounds of snow were, and I want to turn where there's snow. But in general, that's not what I want to do, nor what I think is fun. When I make round turns I feel like a failure, because round turns are easy. Direct lines are challenging, and the sensation is second to none. The sensation of the direct line is better, even if there's some skidding, than the sensation of making round turns. I'll give myself a pass on that slope, because I think it's more fun to turn on the snow rather than skid down that sheet of ice. Though, I wish the conditions were better for skiing more direct, so that it would be more fun.
I think you'd be surprised how much carving I actually do in the direct line. Really, they are short swing turns without a long finish, so that means there's some swing to start it, and you don't finish across the hill. But, the primary mechanism is to tip the ski, get performance from the ski, and have the ski turn without rotary input. Here's a video from two weeks ago on a fairly well know bump run at Heavenly. This is a steeper run than Exhibition, but the conditions were cold and soft. There are a few places I skid, but for the most part that narrow mogul ski doesn't really skid much in those conditions. Regardless, I tip the ski, and often it will carve, sometimes it will scrape, but the turn mechanisms are the same. The only difference from a high edge angle groomed run turn is that there's less hip angulation, and you don't finish the turn. It feels like flying. It's like powder skiing. I'm a junkie for it. But, if there's no edge grip, and the bumps are far apart, then it's not that great.
But, let's not turn this into an Epic ski or Pugski, ski school blow out about technique. For this forum, it's local stoke,
JohnL wrote:
Stephen wrote:
I don't have an SL ski, but I've been meaning to get one. Which one should I get?
These bumps don't have troughs, though. It's just a sheet of ice with mounds of snow. If the bumps were closer together, I would just link turns from mound of snow to mound of snow which can be really fun, because it's skiing powder/packed powder. I'm definitely going to get an SL ski at some point, though I was thinking for groomers. Maybe buy CARV and mess around with that. The Idones are pretty amazing skis. Super fun. The edge grip is pretty good, and they have a good amount of carve to them. I doubt there are many bump conditions where an SL ski is more fun, though I see the potential for days like Friday. I'd like to find out. Have you been on a mogul ski? I haven't been on a dedicated SL ski, but I've skied high end carver skis. My last pair bent in the bumps, and I haven't looked back since.
JohnL wrote:
JohnL wrote:
Stephen wrote:
I went to Whitetail today. If I got this report sooner I would have gone to Laurel. I was just thinking that the natural snow wasn't that great, and my best bet would be snowmaking. It didn't turn out that well. As far as I could tell from the web cam, the bumps looked good, but they were really just mounds of snow separated by sheets of ice. It was good exercise, but it was a character building day.
Everywhere that I want to turn to ski the fall line is where everyone else is turning too, and the snow is scraped clean. I mostly tried to ski from mound to mound. Here's a video of it. The ice doesn't come through on the video. In reality, it feels like it's everywhere, because a lot of those paths that look viable on the video are too abrupt to ski. I should have gotten video from the lift, where it looked like little mounds of snow in a sea of ice. Between the mounds, I have no edge grip. All I can do is skid down it.
If there's anyone that loves these conditions please share a video that shows how you ski it.
I already had a video of Whitetail on my Youtube channel for mid Atlantic mogul trails, so this video is unlisted. Just if you have the link below you can see it, and at some point I'll remove it. I'm just putting it up so people can see the conditions. I don't care about number of views.
Laurel Hill Crazie wrote:
I sent this reply to wgo: Conditions should be good. There was no rain/sleet during last weekend's storm. The natural snow terrain is marked closed on the early morning report but they should open 100% of the mountain after the patrol does their thing. The entire skiers right side of the mountain is in bumps that are not frozen Ice. Oh, wait, there was one trail closed and it's not on the map, the lower lift line is skied off.Tough to give a definitive opinion, since this is a POV video. But overall, seems like pretty decent skiing, especially given the conditions.
Tactical advice: ski less in the troughs, do rounder turns, less in the zipper line. These are not real rutted bumps, so you can do some carving. Carve around the icy patches, use the top side of the bumps where there is more snow todo your turns. Avoid the troughs as much as you can, visualize the backside and sides of the bumps. Look at the bumps, not the troughs. You generally ski where you look.
Random advice from the Internets, but I do know what I’m talking about.
Alternative advice, if you have SL skis and the carving skills, you could simply carve the troughs. Requires a stiff well-tuned ski.
OK, we have a bit of mis-communication, no worries.
First of all, from your vid, I wouldn’t consider that a bump run where bump technique is really needed. I’ve skied that trail numerous times in the past, under a variety of conditions. True bump runs: Alta, Snowbird, Outer Limits at K, Stein’s at the Bush, pretty much all of MRG. I think you get my point.
I said troughs, but that is where true troughs will form once it gets warmer and skier traffic can punch through the firm ice layer. But the technique is generally the same.
From what you posted, you have the option of skiing that run as a groomed run, using carving technique, or as a bump run using bump technique. I haven’t used CARV, but it may be the wrong tool for bumps. For deeply rutted bumps, you are skiing a flatter ski, with gradual skidding to control ski. You are not carving. You should not be following the line that Olympic mogul skiers use - but follow most of their technique. They are timed, so they take a direct path down the fall line, using the back of the bumps and massive flexion/absorption to control speed. That is not sustainable skiing. Think rounder turns, skiing the slow line fast.
In general, I find SL skis too stiff for deep bumps. But I know skiers who can pull it off. Again, in deep bumps, you are more skidding than carving. Those aren’t deep bumps. So, could carve through that using turns of various roundness, from skipping the piles completely to rounder turns using the back side and side of the piles. I ski Atomic Redster S9, but Fisher and others have great SL skis. I haven’t skied true bump skis, since I am more of a free ride and tree skier - conditions permitting. You don’t need a dedicated bump ski to ski bumps. For deeper bumps, I would use my new front side carvers, Head eRalleys at 78 underfoot. Still can carve decently, but skid better and are less stiff. For soft Western bumps, my daily drivers are Atomic Bent 100s.
Summary: don’t worry about the ski. But ski rounder turns. Amount of carve determined by your choice and how deep the bumps are. Edit: you are skidding from snow pile to snow pile because you line is too straight down the fall line.
Liberty on the back side has a run of moguls too.
Snow was fantastic at Liberty yesterday. Was there from 1130 to about 3. The place was empty too.
Glad you got out! My schedule opened up so I was able to get out to Mnut for a couple hours. Snow was good, ranged from really nice to firm but edgeable.
wojo wrote:
Liberty on the back side has a run of moguls too.
Snow was fantastic at Liberty yesterday. Was there from 1130 to about 3. The place was empty too.
From mnut today:
If you are a fan of bumps then head over to No Hessitation today. Our grooming crew seeded some bumps overnight and now it is up to you all to get out there and shape them up!
I'll be there on saturday to check it out. I'll try not to mess them up.
I can see them on the web cam. Looks good.
wgo wrote:
From mnut today:
If you are a fan of bumps then head over to No Hessitation today. Our grooming crew seeded some bumps overnight and now it is up to you all to get out there and shape them up!
I'll be there on saturday to check it out. I'll try not to mess them up.
